At least wit sweat, you can wipe it away, with the temps you fellows are putting up with in the north land's it will freeze to your face! Hum, I'm a little more in favor with the change in seasons thing, where you bring an extra sweat shirt and shed it late in the day, yea, I'm gettin old. I just got done reading a translation of a Russianicon mosin nagant manual and it has a temp conversion chart in it, I guess the A## kicking in Finlandicon had quite an impact-SDH