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Sleeplessnashadow "Inland" Manufacturing M1... 08-13-2015, 01:19 AM
shadycon Thank you for the info. I... 08-13-2015, 08:12 AM
imarangemaster Pretty sad, actually. For... 08-13-2015, 07:25 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I'm hoping to get more... 08-14-2015, 05:41 AM
Bruce McAskill Thank you Jim for an honest... 08-13-2015, 10:05 PM
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goatdude I have one and have put right... 08-14-2015, 12:22 PM
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Seaspriter Jim, thank you for your... 08-23-2015, 09:45 PM
Wastelander Shotgun news review 09-03-2015, 08:49 AM
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goatdude Every part except for the... 08-14-2015, 07:47 PM
browningautorifle That ain't good then. 08-14-2015, 09:25 PM
imarangemaster I am not a metallurgist, but... 08-15-2015, 09:57 AM
3 gun charlie I can assure you the Bolt is... 08-19-2015, 10:34 AM
Inland A message from Inland 08-19-2015, 02:27 PM
Wastelander Hi Ron, Thanks for giving us... 08-19-2015, 05:26 PM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) Ron, Welcome to the... 08-21-2015, 11:06 PM
imarangemaster Sleep, Well said. By the... 08-14-2015, 11:40 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I was surprised when "Inland"... 08-15-2015, 03:35 AM
shadycon Jim, you are a great asset to... 08-15-2015, 07:57 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Thanks guys. But I'm simply... 08-15-2015, 09:38 AM
bonnie Jim, Just want to say thank... 08-15-2015, 11:01 AM
goatdude SAI tried cast bolts with... 08-15-2015, 01:23 PM
browningautorifle Point taken Dave, but this... 08-15-2015, 07:41 PM
manteo97 Seems the myth about steel... 08-16-2015, 10:51 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Goodbye Auto-Ordnance, Inland... 08-17-2015, 04:17 AM
shadycon Very interesting and thank... 08-17-2015, 07:30 AM
Sleeplessnashadow 64701 64702 Walnut stain... 08-17-2015, 08:26 AM
imarangemaster That wear on the bolt is... 08-17-2015, 09:51 AM
Wastelander Hi, First time posting.... 08-17-2015, 10:28 AM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) Wastelander, Welcome to... 08-18-2015, 01:36 AM
imarangemaster WASTELANDER, welcome to the... 08-18-2015, 08:58 AM
Wastelander Hi All, Thanks for the... 08-18-2015, 09:39 AM
Sleeplessnashadow The bolt wasn't hardened... 08-18-2015, 07:10 AM
imarangemaster Ron, Welcome to the forum,... 08-19-2015, 07:29 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Perspectives 08-19-2015, 07:53 PM
Inland Thank you all for the warm... 08-19-2015, 09:13 PM
Wastelander A letter to Ron at Inland 08-20-2015, 10:06 AM
sieggie 3GunCharlie, My serial is... 08-20-2015, 06:41 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Dave, Here's a few things... 08-20-2015, 08:18 PM
goatdude I am sending my bolt and side... 08-20-2015, 08:30 PM
imarangemaster While the warped receiver in... 08-21-2015, 09:53 AM
goatdude Video? 08-21-2015, 03:41 PM
sieggie I believe they are talking... 08-21-2015, 04:34 PM
sieggie Sleeplessnashadow, Your... 08-21-2015, 06:48 PM
goatdude Another New Inland Review 08-21-2015, 07:05 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Sheesh, too many late hours... 08-21-2015, 06:36 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Dave Here's your pics,... 08-21-2015, 09:05 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Attn Owners of "Inland... 09-05-2015, 10:28 AM
sieggie Have you heard anything back... 09-17-2015, 09:45 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Sent an e-mail yesterday to... 09-17-2015, 12:31 PM
sieggie This seems to be dragging out... 10-01-2015, 11:30 AM
Sleeplessnashadow No carbine and no word yet. ... 10-01-2015, 05:33 PM
USGI Hopefully the shipment of... 09-18-2015, 12:18 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Made an inquiry with Inland... 10-05-2015, 07:30 PM
Seaspriter Very nicely stated Jim. This... 10-05-2015, 10:36 PM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) I could use a bit more in the... 10-05-2015, 08:52 PM
imarangemaster Jim, are you aware of Inland... 10-06-2015, 06:29 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Inland Bolts 10-06-2015, 08:56 PM
browningautorifle We should remember post #33... 10-06-2015, 07:26 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Was contacted today by Inland... 10-10-2015, 05:06 AM
Bill Hollinger Outstanding thread!!! Thanks... 10-10-2015, 12:08 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Update & Still looking for... 10-24-2015, 05:37 AM
goatdude Jim, Maybe the FFL will... 10-24-2015, 07:39 AM
imarangemaster Two Months to send a you... 10-24-2015, 06:24 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I'm not certain they have... 10-25-2015, 03:50 AM
shadycon Kahr tommy's are "junk".... 10-25-2015, 03:23 AM
imarangemaster It would not surprise me me... 10-25-2015, 07:39 PM
Brian Dick Auto-Ordnance was owned by... 10-26-2015, 02:39 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Update 11-01-2015, 06:25 AM
sieggie Sleeplessnashadow, Have... 11-23-2015, 04:02 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Just got back home late... 11-23-2015, 04:59 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Range Report 12-02-2015, 10:10 PM
imntxs554 Grant it back it the 40's the... 12-03-2015, 10:27 AM
CrossedCannons Even with all the specs for... 12-03-2015, 04:22 PM
Seaspriter After reading the ORDEAL you... 12-03-2015, 02:45 PM
Carbine85 The 1st picture looks like... 12-04-2015, 06:06 PM
Bubba-7 Jim, Thank-You for your... 12-03-2015, 06:04 PM
imntxs554 For all the articles I read... 12-03-2015, 10:40 PM
MoonWolf Serial Number 90012xx was... 07-30-2016, 06:02 PM
Sleeplessnashadow MoonWolf The new Inland... 07-30-2016, 07:18 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Sometimes photos can be a bit... 12-04-2015, 09:06 PM
PDIEDRICKS Hello, I have been following... 12-04-2015, 09:31 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Thanks for jumping in,... 12-04-2015, 10:43 PM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) PDIEDRICKS, Welcome to the... 12-04-2015, 10:59 PM
pcaine I took a look at the bolt and... 05-31-2016, 01:08 PM
Sleeplessnashadow The GI standard for hardening... 05-31-2016, 03:50 PM
imntxs554 Welcome to the Forum....I... 12-05-2015, 01:03 PM
imarangemaster I think it is interesting... 12-04-2015, 10:54 PM
pcaine I've put 600 rounds through... 05-28-2016, 06:54 AM
imarangemaster While I was not a fan of the... 12-05-2015, 06:36 PM
DaveHH Details surrounding barrel... 12-05-2015, 10:04 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Agreed. Which is why I... 12-06-2015, 03:58 AM
imntxs554 Jim, I would like to Thank... 12-06-2015, 12:05 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Hi. Replied via e-mail or so... 12-06-2015, 02:12 PM
DaveHH Silicone grease is a... 12-06-2015, 04:59 PM
Seaspriter Jim, you are taking the right... 12-07-2015, 12:47 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Inland in Perspective 12-07-2015, 04:06 AM
imarangemaster I agree 100%. I had a... 12-09-2015, 01:28 AM
Skip They are now marketing the... 12-10-2015, 06:48 AM
lemaymiami You rate a sincere "Attaboy"... 12-07-2015, 08:06 AM
shadycon Every bit as Fun and... 12-10-2015, 08:37 AM
imarangemaster And... if the soft bolt... 12-10-2015, 11:37 AM
tinydata New to this forum (mostly... 01-14-2016, 07:11 PM
Seaspriter Welcome to Milsurps. You are... 01-14-2016, 08:08 PM
DaveHH During WW2 there were a LOT... 01-14-2016, 09:50 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Its been about 6 weeks since... 01-14-2016, 07:48 PM
sieggie We are now halfway through... 02-15-2016, 04:53 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Inland update and Auto... 02-16-2016, 03:35 AM
shadycon Thank you for your latest... 02-16-2016, 08:03 AM
goatdude Thought this was an... 02-16-2016, 11:24 AM
wd4ngb I would guess it is just like... 03-18-2016, 12:50 PM
USGI At this point it's been a... 03-18-2016, 01:39 PM
Captain O I have a great deal of... 03-25-2016, 06:07 PM
Captain O I, again, contacted Ron at... 03-28-2016, 06:36 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I don't think the topics here... 03-29-2016, 01:52 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Hardness test Results 03-29-2016, 02:27 AM
Captain O While I know all of this,... 03-29-2016, 02:31 AM
Bubba-7 Based on the following, it... 04-03-2016, 07:09 PM
Captain O Contrary to what many may... 04-03-2016, 07:29 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Did you happen to notice the... 04-03-2016, 08:57 PM
Captain O I do not owe Ron Norton any... 04-03-2016, 09:35 PM
pcaine After two phone conversations... 08-10-2016, 12:23 AM
Sleeplessnashadow When he chambers the first... 08-10-2016, 01:14 AM
agriebel I purchased one on 3/26/16. ... 05-09-2016, 02:55 PM
imntxs554 Welcome to Milsurps..Here you... 05-09-2016, 05:16 PM
sieggie It appears that Inland has... 05-23-2016, 08:21 PM
cnjcomp Bought a inland in march of... 05-27-2016, 12:24 PM
USGI He just got it back from... 05-27-2016, 02:37 PM
pcaine A very constructive response... 05-31-2016, 06:12 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Gas Piston Nut tool 05-31-2016, 07:07 PM
pcaine I contacted Inland. I will... 06-02-2016, 01:20 PM
Bubba-7 I would remove the gas piston... 06-10-2016, 09:41 PM
DaveHH I wonder if using a good... 06-11-2016, 05:11 AM
pcaine Staking and grease. Both are... 06-11-2016, 08:50 AM
M94/14 My rule of thumb with... 06-12-2016, 05:15 AM
sieggie I have finally fired enough... 07-12-2016, 09:45 AM
browningautorifle Perhaps in time they'll work... 07-12-2016, 09:50 AM
cipherk98 It does seem like they are at... 07-12-2016, 07:42 PM
pcaine Ok, Inland returned my M1... 07-13-2016, 11:42 AM
Sleeplessnashadow sieggie, What causes the... 07-13-2016, 07:50 PM
CrossedCannons The fact that Armscor fired... 07-13-2016, 09:40 PM
imarangemaster You can get some Cerrocast... 07-14-2016, 09:59 AM
sieggie Here is a pic of 3 different... 07-15-2016, 08:48 PM
imarangemaster Definitely a chamber or... 07-15-2016, 10:57 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I'm wondering if you've fired... 07-16-2016, 12:15 AM
Bubba-7 From Post 148 pictures, tell... 07-17-2016, 11:40 AM
HDSledge I ordered a stock set to fire... 07-28-2016, 12:13 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Historically Inland has been... 07-28-2016, 12:37 AM
HDSledge I'm ok with small differences... 07-28-2016, 01:35 PM
HDSledge re. Stock and handguard 1/4"... 07-30-2016, 08:01 PM
Sleeplessnashadow The carbine stocks used by... 07-30-2016, 08:25 PM
MoonWolf Sleeplessnashadow Thanks for... 07-31-2016, 11:27 PM
m1newbie I bought a new Inland Carbine... 09-18-2016, 05:27 PM
Captain O Ron Norton will replace the... 09-18-2016, 09:13 PM
m1newbie Just talked to Inland and... 09-19-2016, 09:49 AM
Captain O For your information, Auto... 09-19-2016, 06:18 PM
m1newbie Does anyone know for sure if... 09-23-2016, 04:31 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Parts Interchangeability 09-23-2016, 06:45 PM
Captain O Sleeplessnashadow is correct.... 09-24-2016, 08:41 AM
kettbo new here, GREAT THREAD 10-04-2016, 02:06 PM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) Welcome to the forum. Lots of... 10-04-2016, 05:37 PM
kettbo I saw that all the A-O... 10-04-2016, 07:46 PM
Captain O As I said earlier, the newer... 10-04-2016, 10:17 PM
m1newbie A quick update on my IM... 10-09-2016, 10:33 AM
Sleeplessnashadow After the break-in period of... 10-09-2016, 03:34 PM
Bill Hollinger Jim, although this report is... 10-09-2016, 06:12 PM
Sleeplessnashadow There is a web page coming... 10-09-2016, 08:15 PM
m1newbie Jim........Just had the rifle... 10-10-2016, 06:16 PM
Sleeplessnashadow Gary Every manufacturer of... 10-11-2016, 12:48 AM
Captain O Jim: As you said with the... 10-11-2016, 05:04 PM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) I don't understand the logic... 10-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Captain O Those that buy the Fulton and... 10-11-2016, 05:37 PM
Sleeplessnashadow James River bolts may or may... 10-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Sleeplessnashadow I think the attraction to the... 10-11-2016, 06:00 PM
Captain O Dear brother: There are... 10-11-2016, 07:11 PM
m1newbie Jim... You hit the nail on... 10-12-2016, 11:03 AM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) I shoot five of my carbines... 10-12-2016, 05:59 PM
wd4ngb I have been a fan of the M1... 10-12-2016, 08:44 PM
shadycon Why buy a firearm if you are... 10-13-2016, 08:12 AM
deldriver Generally, I agree with your... 10-13-2016, 09:56 AM
yoopercollector I have been following this... 10-13-2016, 10:10 AM
Sentryduty Last winter I went through... 10-13-2016, 10:28 AM
JimF4M1s (Deceased) And History. 10-13-2016, 11:10 AM
DaveHH So correct Jim. The story of... 10-13-2016, 02:27 PM
yoopercollector Replacing a bolt in a new... 10-13-2016, 10:35 AM
Sleeplessnashadow Now that got a good laugh out... 10-13-2016, 08:01 PM
kettbo GREAT THREAD, just read the... 10-15-2016, 01:25 AM
browningautorifle But far too long about... 10-15-2016, 09:04 AM
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browningautorifle Agreed about lots of... 10-15-2016, 11:30 AM
Sleeplessnashadow I realize this seems to get... 10-15-2016, 10:57 PM
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    This is Inland Manufacturing s/n 9001316. I received it as a replacement from Inland, replacing s/n 900698. Finally got out to the range with it yesterday.

    At first, approximately 1 in 5 shots the bolt failed to rotate and lock completely during firing with the carbine failing to fire. After the first 50 rounds or so this increased to 1 in every 2 rounds. When the bolt did lock and and the carbine was fired, about 1 in 4 the bolt failed to cock the hammer for the next shot.

    Attachment 67741 (click on the pics for an enlargement)

    Checking the headspace with Clymer gauges, it wouldn't close on a No Go, but it failed to close on the Go gauge. Spring tension returning the bolt to the closed position during firing would sometimes force the bolt closed but at 1 in 2 firing was stopped and the headspace checked.

    Attachment 67742

    I replaced the Inland bolt with a GI bolt made by Inland during WWII. It headspaced correctly. During reassembly, fitting the right bolt lug into the cam cut in the slide was difficult. Cycling the action for firing the cam cut in the slide would not allow the GI bolt to rotate and lock into the closed position. This could be overcome with physical force but on the next cartridge the spring could not force the bolt into the closed position.

    The GI bolt was removed and replaced with the newly manufactured Inland bolt. Surfaces of the bolt, slide, receiver and barrel that come in contact with one another were treated with Breakfree in an attempt to see if lubrication would help.

    Firing the carbine, the same problem with the bolt failing to close and lock was encountered about 1 in 3. In addition, the bolt and slide now failed to move when the cartridge was fired.

    The carbine was disassembled again and it was discovered the gas piston nut had rotated to the point it allowed the gas out of the gas chamber without enough pressure left to allow the piston to operate the action. Had firing been continued the gas piston nut would likely have unseated completely. Had this happened there would have been noting to restrain the piston from becoming the bullet.

    Before going to the range I had visually inspected and cleaned the carbine. I had noted the gas piston nut had been staked in place.

    Re-tightening the gas piston nut to very snug I found it rotated past the stake marks in the gas piston housing.

    Attachment 67743

    While the nut may not have been tightened fully before being staked, I do not possess the skill to check the gas piston housing dimensions or size of the gas hole. At this point I didn't assume. After I returned home I submitted a return request. I received a prompt reply that an RMA and shipping label for return would be forthcoming. As of the time I authored this post it hasn't been received but I expect it will come tomorrow.

    An insufficient number of rounds could be fired for a break in period and to evaluate the right bolt lug to note improvements over the damage to the bolt in the first carbine.

    Ammo used was factory new Aguila round nose and Lake City Arsenal ammo from the 70's in like new condition purchased from CMPicon.

    Jim
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    Grant it back it the 40's the Cost was 40 to 65 dollars to make a fine USGI Carbine. How much in Today's money would it be to manufacture a Quality USGI M1icon Carbine for the Commercial Market and get it right ? I'm sure there would be a Profit Made. Some companies are manufacturing and selling some great quality Carbines more advanced than the USGI M1 Carbine for about 1000.00 and up. I would think with today's technology the cost would be a fraction of that to make a USGI Quality M1 Carbine right the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imntxs564 View Post
    How much in Today's money would it be to manufacture a Quality USGI M1icon Carbine for the Commercial Market and get it right ?
    Even with all the specs for the finished product in front of you from 4 years of development by the original players, how are you going to actually MAKE it? It ain't as simple a just powering up your mill and hogging steel, or programming a computer to do it for you. There's a learning curve in your way. I feel the pain for both parties here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeplessnashadow View Post
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    After reading the ORDEAL you have experienced, I've concluded the REAL DEAL is the best route. Either buy a Real USGI M1icon Carbine for under $1000 and have it brought up to specs or go to Fulton, James River, or Orion7 and get a 100% reconditioned USGI spec gun -- at least these will not suffer the chance of failure and the depreciation of a new M1 from virtually any modern maker. There is just too much risk going any other route from what I can see, and the reconditioned M1s are cost competitive. Jim, thanks for keeping us appraised and for invoking the pain of the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeplessnashadow View Post
    This is Inland Manufacturing s/n 9001316. I received it as a replacement from Inland, replacing s/n 900698. Finally got out to the range with it yesterday.

    At first, approximately 1 in 5 shots the bolt failed to rotate and lock completely during firing with the carbine failing to fire. After the first 50 rounds or so this increased to 1 in every 2 rounds. When the bolt did lock and and the carbine was fired, about 1 in 4 the bolt failed to cock the hammer for the next shot.

    Attachment 67741 (click on the pics for an enlargement)

    Checking the headspace with Clymer gauges, it wouldn't close on a No Go, but it failed to close on the Go gauge. Spring tension returning the bolt to the closed position during firing would sometimes force the bolt closed but at 1 in 2 firing was stopped and the headspace checked.

    Attachment 67742

    I replaced the Inland bolt with a GI bolt made by Inland during WWII. It headspaced correctly. During reassembly, fitting the right bolt lug into the cam cut in the slide was difficult. Cycling the action for firing the cam cut in the slide would not allow the GI bolt to rotate and lock into the closed position. This could be overcome with physical force but on the next cartridge the spring could not force the bolt into the closed position.

    The GI bolt was removed and replaced with the newly manufactured Inland bolt. Surfaces of the bolt, slide, receiver and barrel that come in contact with one another were treated with Breakfree in an attempt to see if lubrication would help.

    Firing the carbine, the same problem with the bolt failing to close and lock was encountered about 1 in 3. In addition, the bolt and slide now failed to move when the cartridge was fired.

    The carbine was disassembled again and it was discovered the gas piston nut had rotated to the point it allowed the gas out of the gas chamber without enough pressure left to allow the piston to operate the action. Had firing been continued the gas piston nut would likely have unseated completely. Had this happened there would have been noting to restrain the piston from becoming the bullet.

    Before going to the range I had visually inspected and cleaned the carbine. I had noted the gas piston nut had been staked in place.

    Re-tightening the gas piston nut to very snug I found it rotated past the stake marks in the gas piston housing.

    Attachment 67743

    While the nut may not have been tightened fully before being staked, I do not possess the skill to check the gas piston housing dimensions or size of the gas hole. At this point I didn't assume. After I returned home I submitted a return request. I received a prompt reply that an RMA and shipping label for return would be forthcoming. As of the time I authored this post it hasn't been received but I expect it will come tomorrow.

    An insufficient number of rounds could be fired for a break in period and to evaluate the right bolt lug to note improvements over the damage to the bolt in the first carbine.

    Ammo used was factory new Aguila round nose and Lake City Arsenal ammo from the 70's in like new condition purchased from CMPicon.

    Jim
    The 1st picture looks like the reciever is cracked on top.
    The pictures clearly show the poor quality of craftsmanship.
    I have built 2 from GI parts and restored several and never had a problem.

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