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desperatedan
John,
No issues. I have a straight pull Imbel FAL and the liner dropped straight in. I believe that, by definition, with new/replacement barrels
UK straight pull L1A1s could well have slight differences in bore/rifling diameters which could affect liner fitting, especially where following the original kit specs.
Does your new liner fit both (?) your SP L1A1s?
Kev
Morning Kev, I have adjusted the liner to fit my Enfield L1A1, it won't even get past the chamber of the Lithgow, to be fair, that rifles only had about 100 rds through it though) it was check fitted and proofed in an Imbel, just slid in.
As Peter has pointed out before, the utter pointlessness of proofing a blow back .22 bolt group and a liner that's held within a barrel ... about as much use as a chocolate tea pot!
Better still, as the legal owner of a sub calibre kit, when you do eventually give up FULL bore shooting, you can retain your L1A1 too. Because by default, it is the medium by which you shoot SMALL bore! Good 'eh!
That thought did occur to me to Peter, I also have an FAC "place holder" on my cert, a Brocock revolver, this was added back in 2004 when the option was to hand them in for scrapping or put them on your FAC.
The beauty of this little revolver is that there is no requirement to be a member of a club to keep it, so if I ever want to divest myself of all my firearms I can, but keep the Brocock and my FAC open indefinitely!
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John, Kev,
If we ever meet up would you mind me taking a few dimensions of your kits ?
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No problem Geoff, always happy to help.
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Thanks Guys, Much appreciated, would of got back earlier but been shooting all weekend......
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Afternoon all,
Having given up waiting for the bloody weather to turn and itching to shoot my .22 kit, I re-joined my local small-bore club and headed to their 25yd indoor range. Well, Rays kit worked without any issues, putting all the rounds in the black, time after time, no feed/extraction or FTF issues what so ever, despite the converted magazines being the Fal small lug type (pic below with an original L12A1 magazine for comparison).
As we all know, .22 semi autos are finicky beasts at the best of times, but very pleased indeed with this first shoot, the action time is lightening fast and slick ... so fast that I thought the first round had failed to fire, then I spied the hole in the black and the empty case!
I really wasn't expecting it to be very accurate, I hear some of the original kits couldn't hit a barn door, (probably more to do with worn bores and loose liners) this set up puts the rounds on target with impressive accuracy and consistency, I will only use this kit with my Enfield L1A1(as I adjusted the new liner to snugly fit this bore) and keep the Lithgow L1A1 for dedicated full bore shooting.
Obviously, I have only tried it at 25 yds so far, but initial test results are very encouraging indeed, the only real issue is the SUIT post obscuring the target!
I tested subsonic and Hi velocity stuff, it ate everything without complaint and didn't miss a beat, my previous .22lr rifle was a Spikes tactical ST22, though a fine carbine, it wasn't as accurate or reliable as the L1A1 / conversion kit combo, it only worked with Hi velocity ammo and only then CCI Mini Mag, anything else and reliability suffered. The conversion kit on the other hand, like a Russian tractor, seems to run on anything without complaint!
My "Shooter. Usually. In. Trouble" (spare L2A2) has finally found useful employment, it suffered from wondering zero in full bore, but .22's zero recoil is no issue, zeroed in seconds and stayed on target. I managed to get together some L12A1 spares for the bolt group, including an unused in the wrap rear bracket, I have to think about keeping it serviceable into the future, so I will grab any small parts I can get my hands on.
In summery its been quite mission making this .22 conversion kit happen (its the only example of Rays work this side of the Atlantic and it will probably be the only one too unfortunately), I am happy as a pig in the proverbial!
Pictures of the rifle and kit below, the shorter polished "new" liner is the example I have adapted for use with this rifle, the other is an original spare ... just in case!
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Pleasing to see good reviews of these re-manufactured sub cal kits. He worked long and diligently to get them right and back engineering is no easy feat.
You can easily convert your FN sub cal mags to UK spec sub cal mags by shifting the guts accurately from one to the other. I don't remember anything really failing in the kits. Just the odd distorted extractor and ejector that's all. Plus bulged barrels of course!!
Have fun..........
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Evening Peter, I know you assisted in the early stages of this project, it might not have even got of the ground without it in fact, so a big thank you to you.
I was thinking of rehousing the magazine guts in inch pattern shells, but after a bit of slight adjustment, these Fal mags work just fine now, after all, if it ain't broken why fix it!
Its been a labour of love for Ray, I think at times he wished he never started the project, but as you say, he stuck with the laborious prototyping stage and has made a superb kit. Well done Ray, I take my hat off to you! Nothing like an L1A1 to make .22 plinking fun again!
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Had a bit to do with the original H&K units designed for the G-1 and used here in Oz L1A1s, back in the "good old days".
Standard warning was that they were NOT to be used with "high-velocity" ammo as there was a risk that the extra pressure would, after extended use, distort the .22RF barrel with its incredibly thin wall, and "mould" it, PERMANENTLY into the 7.62mm rifling.
Never saw it happen and only ever saw wax-lubed, plain lead, standard velocity ammo used during range practices.
We had what was called the "Cine (Cinema) Range" for these devices.
This was a long, (.22-resistant) room with a huge sheet of paper that was scrolled horizontally across the target area. Onto this paper was projected, (via good old 16mm FILM), various target "scenarios"; hence "Cine" range
The projector was synchronized (hopefully) with the paper drive mechanism and you could thus review and score your performance.
Got to use it ONCE, just before it was "closed down".
All done with video and lasers these days. (No live ammo was harmed in this training, SAH!).
Unlike the days of the old Cine Range, no cleaning is required after a day of "Laser Tag" either.
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