Sentryduty's M1 Carbine

[Sentryduty]

So here it is, I managed to find and Non restricted M1 Carbine, these are a hot item in Canada, they appear, and often are sold very, very rapidly.

Like all used firearms purchases there is some good, some bad, and some ugly.

Starting at the top it will suit my interest in having a good shooter, and being a clearly no original gun I can have some fun with it, without destroying a classic.

Overall this is a Inland receiver, with a serial that is 999XXX and in the last 500 built before they rolled over to that 7th digit of production, it features a mix of GI and non-GI parts, and has been rebarreled to Canadian Non restricted specification by fitting a longer barrel which measure 20.5" in this example.

I checked the bore and it is mirror bright, making it hard to visually pick up the riflings. I slugged it from the muzzle, due to the receiver design, with a lubricated tapered lead fishing weight and it came out as 4 groove, right hand twist, very slow rate, which I will check later. Measurements of .3005" bore and a groove depth of of .3045" which suggests a shallow rifling of only 0.002" However I am not sure how deep factory rifling would normally be on a standard GI barrel.

The bore is not a 2-groove so that relives one of my main concerns, and I will have to see how it performs under range conditions before assessing further judgement.

The bad.

The upper hand guard is clearly not correct, it is a stamped piece from a Civilian produced Iver Johnson etc. that will get changed at some point. I cannot verify if the folding paratrooper stock is genuine, only has a serial marking in the channel, unless an expert here can tell me otherwise I will have to conclude it is a reproduction.

The ugly, that stock is cracked, a lot.

It has been poorly repaired before, I will consider another repair or I may just fit a conventional Carbine stock as a replacement, I know about this from the time of purchase and it doesn't bother me much. I was genuinely concerned that I have had a busted GI M1A1 stock, but after looking for markings I am not really concerned that it is the case.

I have gone over the M1Carbine.Inc (and partner sites) to work on identifying parts and see I have, so far I am pleased with the foundation of what can be made into a good, or better little carbine.

Thoughts from the audience?


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[browningautorifle]

I had one of those stocks too, fit, finish and function was all fine. Mine was Italian...

[WarPig1976]

Gorilla glue, errr.....

You know looking at it the longer barrel isn't bad at all. Longer sight radius is always a good thing.

[Sentryduty]

Gorilla glue, errr.....

My thoughts exactly, the glue is still elastic and probably a good reason why it didn't hold for the previous repairer.

[browningautorifle]

The rifling isn't very deep even when new. A friend of mine was worried about his barrel being shot out back in the '70s when we'd go to Vancouver and buy every configuration you could name for about $125 each... I told him not to worry then and I say the same to you now. Try it and you'll find it's fine. Yes, the stock could use a replacement, and then that one will sell well on CGN...for sure. Cracks and everything...

[M94/14]

Having messed around with these a fair bit over the years, what I see looks just fine as far the metal work is concerned. You have a typical post war mix and match refurb that looks to be in good condition with just finish wear.

Yours is equipped with the milled adjustable rear sight and late production barrel band with bayonet lug. Both of these are best for a "Shooter Carbine".

The only major issue is that stock. Its structural integrity has been compromised to the point where all the glue and pins in the world won't save it. For a decent shooter, the stock needs to be solid and free of cracks from the recoil lug forward to the barrel band saddle. If it shoots really well with that stock, then take it as a sign and buy a lottery ticket...

Stocks are hard to come by, but I think I may have a temporary solution until you can find a GI stock. I know a guy with a stock duplicator, and he produces a semi finished product that shouldn't take too much work to finish. I'm in Edmonton myself, so Just shoot me a PM, and I could include my email address etc. and we could go from there.

[wtmr]

I have 999760


QUOTE=Sentryduty;356389]So here it is, I managed to find and Non restricted M1 Carbine, these are a hot item in Canada, they appear, and often are sold very, very rapidly.

Like all used firearms purchases there is some good, some bad, and some ugly.

Starting at the top it will suit my interest in having a good shooter, and being a clearly no original gun I can have some fun with it, without destroying a classic.

Overall this is a Inland receiver, with a serial that is 999XXX and in the last 500 built before they rolled over to that 7th digit of production, it features a mix of GI and non-GI parts, and has been rebarreled to Canadian Non restricted specification by fitting a longer barrel which measure 20.5" in this example.

I checked the bore and it is mirror bright, making it hard to visually pick up the riflings. I slugged it from the muzzle, due to the receiver design, with a lubricated tapered lead fishing weight and it came out as 4 groove, right hand twist, very slow rate, which I will check later. Measurements of .3005" bore and a groove depth of of .3045" which suggests a shallow rifling of only 0.002" However I am not sure how deep factory rifling would normally be on a standard GI barrel.

The bore is not a 2-groove so that relives one of my main concerns, and I will have to see how it performs under range conditions before assessing further judgement.

The bad.

The upper hand guard is clearly not correct, it is a stamped piece from a Civilian produced Iver Johnson etc. that will get changed at some point. I cannot verify if the folding paratrooper stock is genuine, only has a serial marking in the channel, unless an expert here can tell me otherwise I will have to conclude it is a reproduction.

The ugly, that stock is cracked, a lot.

It has been poorly repaired before, I will consider another repair or I may just fit a conventional Carbine stock as a replacement, I know about this from the time of purchase and it doesn't bother me much. I was genuinely concerned that I have had a busted GI M1A1 stock, but after looking for markings I am not really concerned that it is the case.

I have gone over the M1Carbine.Inc (and partner sites) to work on identifying parts and see I have, so far I am pleased with the foundation of what can be made into a good, or better little carbine.

Thoughts from the audience?
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[Sentryduty]

Stocks are hard to come by, but I think I may have a temporary solution until you can find a GI stock.

I spent some time looking at the very same question last evening and planned to ask for suggestions. Also note, I have no real interest in keeping with a side folder, unless there is some evidence that this carbine rolled out of the factory as a M1A1. Folding stocks in my experience, are useful for storage/portability, look very cool, but are not very good for shooting ergonomics and accuracy.

If I needed a stock today here are my options, everyone feel free to weigh in on each or suggest alternatives:

Ebay: There are a few relic condition stocks GI stocks without hardware on ebay with sellers that will ship to Canada, but they are about $25-50 CDN but have cracks/chips and are a hard luck lot.

Numrich: Their policy seems to allow shipment of these items, and they have new-repro stocks at the $150 USD price point, but does anyone have experience with these, are they good?

Numrich 2: They have ex-Italian issue stocks cheaper price point than the new-repros.

Numrich 3: They have a paratrooper repro stock, probably the exact same one I have now, slightly more money than the basic M1 repro.

Chiappa: Their Beech M1-22 carbine stocks are nice enough, I would prefer a GI walnut though, apparently they are interchangeable with the USGI guns. I have one I could test fit, and if it worked, I could order one as a replacement then, ditch the plastic recoil plate and metric hardware.

Thoughts from the audience?

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A friend of mine was worried about his barrel being shot out back in the '70s

That is a good data point, I will have to fling some rounds and if they don't keyhole, all should be good.

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I have 999760

We are surprisingly close in production numbers.

[M94/14]

My view on Internet shopping for stocks is...if you can't inspect one visually, (which means lots of detailed pics) then go with a repro of an original, or a new Commercial Stock.

That said, from Numrich's current list of M1 Carbine stocks, I'd likely go with:

955750 U.S. MILITARY M1 CARBINE Standard Stock Set $127.30

or:

931340B U.S. MILITARY M1 CARBINE Stock, Hardwood, Like New Condition. Accepts G.I. Parts. $45.65

The second option doesn't come with a wooden handguard, you'd have to purchase that separately, or use the Perforated metal handguard that came with your Carbine.

Of all the carbine stocks listed on their site, the first option appears the best choice to me (for a Shooter Carbine) unless you want to go low budget, then I would go with the second choice and use your own handguard.

In either case, you'd need a G.I. buttplate and attaching screw and recoil lug with screw and escutcheon. The barrel band retention spring can be cannibalized from your leftover para stock.

[Sentryduty]

I have obtained a replacement stock and a few spare magazines, everything fits up very nicely, this evening I will stage it for some photos to share.