Yugo M57

[MJ1]

Came by this nice one for $199...

Information

Warning: This is a relatively older thread This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

[MJ1]

Well we didn't set the world on fire with comments. LOL Only thing better than one is two. These will shoot point of aim to 100 yards. I tried it.

[Sentryduty]

The integration of the safety on the M57 seems to be executed in a much better fashion than the $99 Norinco M213's that used to flood the market around me:



It wasn't until I shot a proper Russian one that I realized they were good pistols, based on other Zastava firearms I have worked with I would expect the quality of your M57(s) to be nothing less than top-shelf.

[Eaglelord17]

Wow, I have actually never seen a TT-33 with a safety, it looks almost wrong.

[Baal]

Nice find MJ1.

But I do agree the safety looks out of place. Though that's simply because my TT-33 doesn't have one.

It's currently one of my favourite pistols. Mine is dated 1941 from the Tula factory. With matching numbers on frame, slide, barrel, and 2 mags. Fit and finish are very good, and the trigger is surprisingly pleasant. And the ammo's still cheap.

[WarPig1976]

A few more safety variations.
Romanian TTC
Attachment 71712

Brand new manufacture M70A in 9mm.
Note I lost the original detent ball and used a mini BB from a hunting pellet as a replacement, it fit perfectly!!
Attachment 71713

[Sentryduty]

I had first seen this variation on the "hickock45" youtube channel I thought it was the least sensible design of all of the post Russian TT33 production guns.

The Norinco M213 is a close second, they were a crudely finished gun and the stiff safety nearly took two thumbs to move to the FIRE position.

[MJ1]

I did have an original TT in 1967 I picked up just inside the wire perimeter at a place called Dak To in early November. All I recall today about it was the clear plexiglass grip panels. I was to young or it has been to long ago to remember much else. I was wounded at the end of the month and the pistol was gone from my effects when I got out of hospital at the end of December. I can't recall shooting it but it was 49 years ago.

Cheers

[Flying10uk]

Wasn't the safety on the TT30 and TT33 achieved by putting the hammer on half cock and was supposed to be very reliable?

[Sentryduty]

I have found it to be very reliable, however 100% reliability and trust when it comes to a holstered pistol pointing at your foot or leg, is not to be understated.

I cannot cite (recall) my sources, but it was my reading that these pistols were carried "Condition 3 by the Jeff Cooper Designation" by Soviet Officers.

Condition Three
In this condition the pistol contains a loaded magazine, the chamber is empty and the hammer is down. In order to fire the pistol, the slide must be cycled so that a cartridge is loaded into the chamber.

Condition Three is the method used by the U.S. military when the 1911 was the standard issue pistol. Due to the fact that relatively little training time was spent with the pistol, my guess is that our military believed this was the safest method. The downside of Condition Three is that it takes just a bit of extra time to get the 1911 ready to fire, which can be a bit disconcerting if one is already experiencing incoming fire. In recent years, this has also become known as the “Israeli Method” because Israeli police and soldiers who carry a single-action auto have adopted this carry method.

I do not have a copy of the Soviet manual of arms for the TT33, does anyone?

I have crudely translated the the Russian one for the SKS rifle and found I had been holding it incorrectly for years. The supporting hand is not supposed to go in the finger grooves in the forestock for shooting, it is supposed to cup/cradle the magazine from beneath. The fore stock finger grooves are for improving grip while bayonet fighting.