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Not quite understanding modern outrage
A user on this board posted a WWII German item for sale and didn't post pics because the item had the swastika on it and he didn't want to offend. It is a kind gesture from the poster. But...
Over on a guitar forum that I frequent someone started a thread featuring vintage warplanes so I posted a picture and mentioned the THREE Focke Wulf FW190s that live down the road from me. The pic is of two of them in the WWII hangar from Cottbus, Germany
, in which they reside.
residing 
Within a short time a person posted, highly offended, saying he thought both the displaying of the flag and my posting of the picture with the flag were in extremely poor taste. Now, this picture was shot at a museum that houses many, many WWII aircraft (most flying) from the U.S., Britain
, Germany, the U.S.
S.R., and soon Italy
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What has happened to our culture when people can't handle history in the context of a museum?
Bob
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Individuals like to claim outrage because they take enjoyment from it, and the attention that follows, it's just the way some people are. Someone in that case is failing to observe the context, spirit, and intent of the display before coming down on someone.
Personally, I have always thought that prop spinner design on the plane in the back is very neat, and I have been thinking about applying a similar scheme to one of my supercharger pullies.
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A lot of people out there re-writing history by omitting it completely. Sad days...
Russ
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[B]What has happened to our culture when people can't handle history in the context of a museum?
Bob [B]
"Those who are unable to learn from history are destined to repeate it"
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Tell said person to put his big boy pants on and shut up. If he's looking for a "safe space" history doesn't offer it whether he likes it or not. He's just spewing PC nonsense. It's all the rage nowadays, I refuse to play along.
I would be a "Bully" and remind the guy he's never won a fist fight and has never been with a women so why would anyone care what he thinks an see how he likes them apples. That's just me though.
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Some people in my generation are weak individuals who take offence to everything. I have long since accepted that no matter what you do someone will take offence to it for whatever reason. That is there right, just as it is my right to do things they find offensive.
For example some of those same people who take 'offence' to the swastika don't take offence to Chinas flag or the Hammer and Sickle even though more people were killed in the name of 'equality' under those two symbols (or even one of them) than were killed due to people under the swastika. Its all about perspective and history is written by the victors. The more people research the more they will understand all these things other nations are demonized for has happened elsewhere (might be in a different time, but they still happened, in fact I can't think of a single culture or empire which didn't commit similar offences at some point in time). The British
empire was built on genocide, the Americans wiped out whole tribes of aboriginals, the French
Revolution killed thousands in the name of public safety, the Romans destroyed tons of cultures, etc. I could keep going all day.
The suppression of learning (which is becoming a serious issue) is resulting in uneducated 'educated' people who fail to understand why the world is the way it is and how it got to this point. Recently I had a horrible 'social learning' class, that the teacher knew a fair bit of the social issues attacking our society but he failed to understand how it got to that point. There were many points in time I had to EDUCATE the teacher (which isn't what I am spending my money on) as to why things were happening, as he didn't understand much of the history behind it all. All we can do is learn from from the past, and try to prevent it from happening in the future (though we are failing at the prevention part as Syria is showing us currently). Failure to learn from others mistakes means we are doomed to commit them ourselves.
Note I tried to keep the post non-political primarily showing how we get these offended people. If any point is excessively political please feel free to delete it or let me know and I can delete it.
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Keeping in the spirit ot the aviation nature of the OP.
Please fasten your seat belts and place your seats in the upright position. I think the ride is going to get bumpy now that the educated (indoctrinated) are in charge.
While I am acutely aware of the horror the swastika and other symbols represent purging the history associated with them will simply make it easier for the uneducated to fall for the same bananna in the tailpipe again (please see the film Beverly Hills Cop for explination of the bananna refrence.)
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I'm not particularly fond of the North Vietnamese flag, or that of any Communist country. For that matter, I'm not fond of Lenin's picture or the Che Guevara shirts the Uni students cherish either, but I don't get 'cheesed off' every time I see one. The small minded subset of humanity that gets its knickers in a twist at the slightest infringement of political correctness needs a reality check.
With that, these, the aircraft and the flags, are simply historical relics much like an Egyptian chariot, a Greek Statue, Roman Gladius, a Viking long ship, or even the Tower of London and Dachau or Auschwitz. They are a part of our history and to deny history is to deny how we became who we are.
I'll add here that one of my ancestors, Sir Isaac Pennington, was a Lieutenant of the Tower before he became its prisoner and died there ~1666. The Tower doesn't offend me either.
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OK the really important question, is that a Dora (D9) or a TA152??
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The 152 had an inline am I correct, the butcher bird was a very nasty surprise for the Allies pilots when it hit the skies they tried to combat it with a clipped wing version of the spitfire to increase the roll rate and an engine with a smaller blower impeller which ended up being inferior to the 190 anyway.
The pilots who flew that particular type of spitfire against the 190 called that mark of the spitfire " Clipped, Cropped and Clapped "
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