Quote Originally Posted by AmEngRifles View Post
Capt O, I respect your opinion and defend your right to have them. But for me, the idea of taking a .30 caliber carbine round within 100 yards from a 10" barrel or an 18" is "same same" for me. Yes, the round was designed for rifles. My next quest is to see if I can turn it into a true "pistol" caliber with judicious choice of a pistol powder. This will at least reduce the muzzle flash.

Plus, this is America! Who said we shouldn't have fun with our guns? Hell, I like things that go BOOM and this little shooter definitely goes BOOM inside of a closed structure! I love the feel of shocks waves in the morning! Of course, only on the exterior portion of my body, nothing internally. :-) I do not think I would ask your opinion of the 7.62x51 SBR HK clones that so many seem to love. I don't get it, but I hold no grudge for the man that wants that sort of affair. All flash and bang! Sure the ballistics are dismal, but somebody is having fun. And again, I ain't calling that little monster ineffective if I am standing within 100 yards of it. It would surely kill me deader than anything else.

Would the .300 Blackout be a more efficient cartridge in the format? Sure, from what I understand about it's ballistics. But for me, also this is about generating some historical references. Like my XM177E1. Yep, the 5.56 was designed for that 18-20" barrel, but same observation, I don't want one passing through me if I am within 100 yards of the dispenser.

For me, these items just have an appeal from a historical sense. They may be crap guns to you, but for me, there are ephemeral notes from my youth.
No offense taken nor intended. Attempting to make the .30 Carbine perform as if it's a self-loading pistol cartridge has been attempted in short barreled versions of the M1icon Carbine. Sadly, none have been successful. Why? The cartridge requires a certain barrel length to perform within certain power parameters. The faster propellants don't seem to work well within the constraints of the Carbine's action.

I am not trying to "rain on your parade" but I don't want you to embark on a quixotic quest. I have "been there" and have "done that". I just don't want you to embark on a "fools errand".

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Try 13 grains of IMR 4227 with a 115 grain bullet. Another shooter had used this to cycle the action. I never did get any velocities from this gentleman, but he said that it worked the action of his Iver Johnson Enforcer.

This is all that I know.