The story i got from the dealer is that he bought a handful of military surplus rifles from a family that the father had passed away and he had these rifles for a long time,,,,like they always remembered he had these military rifles.The dealer thinks the guy got them back in the 60-70s before the CMPicon was the CMP.Thats the story i got anyway,,,,,just thought id see if this was a good deal or not before i spent the money.....i certainly wouldn't want to buy a rifle with fake cartouches.