'03 barrel length

[ralfus]

I expected to get flamed a little. The collector part of you guys automatically assumed Bug had a unaltered, collectible barrel on his sporter. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. The majority of "sporterized" Springfields that I have seen have had unsuitable barrels for restorations. Recut muzzles or previously shortened, diameters turned for banded front sights, markings and lathe marks turned or buffed off, holes drilled and tapped, dovetails cut, etc. I would love to see an original barrel get saved if thats the case but not when the owner would have to spend more or go through more hassles to accomplish it. The last two times I personally saw 1903's with bolt swaps they did not pass the headspace check. That would be another factor to avoid if he did a barrel swap. Bug can also just call Brownells and buy a piloted cutting and crowning kit for under $70. Chop a few barrels and resell the kit to get most of his money back.

swapping barrels and rechambering???
if you missed it , i offered to do the swap, as well..no chambering would be needed. I did miss your offer to swap barrels. That's a cool offer and I've heard nothing but good feedback about your work on these old rifles. If you did the work for free then he would only have about $30 in shipping.
isnt this hobby about saving these weapons, and not destroying them??
i dont know any real gunsmith with the right tools that would cut and crown for 50.00.

Here are some:
http://www.thehuntersden.com/charges.htm $45

http://www.shootersexpress.com/gunsmithing.html $40

http://www.mygunroom.com/dvgunshop/gunsmith.html $42

http://www.greygoosegunsmithing.com/pricing.html $45

http://www.lhpfirearms.com/service01.htm $50

My estimate was a little low, many others wanted around $55-65.


the board min, for gunsmith machine work is 85.00. no real machine shop would touch a small job like that and likely wouldnt have a clue as to how to crown it right.
they would have to make a special cutter to crown, and that would add more money.
ask any machine shop what they charge an hour for machine work.
likely 100.00 an hour, plus 1 hour min, set up time. Which is exactly why I would hope nobody would go to a general machine shop for gunsmithing work. That's about as bad an example as having a bumper chroming shop do the polishing on a rifle prior to a bluing job.
any real gunsmiths will have a min, charge, plus a setup charge. and the turnaround time would be close to 6 mos, or more.
if they would work on an 03, as most wont even touch them. Another stretch, any gunsmith that can chuck up and indicate a barreled receiver can do the job and not care if its a Rem 700, Win 70 or a Remington 03 as listed above. It's not like its a low numbered receiver or something with added liabilty.

[Chuckindenver]

some flaws in your posts,,your forgot to add the cost of return shipping.
also, all but one list a min. fee. and i bet they have one, they just dont advertise it.
another lists a machine shop rate of 90.00 and hour, and 40.00 to cut, then 30.00 to crown.
sounds pretty simple, just chuck it up in a lathe and get er done??
id bet, you bring any 1903 into a shop, or any other WW2 vintage weapon in, and they will likely send it back out the door.
heck, just grab that old hack saw, stick in your good ol bench vise, and cut away..you might get it straight, and it might shoot purrdy good.
really im just joking, and its not a flame. thats not my style, your take on the pricing, time frame and really how its done is a bit behind the times.
as for cutting up a good barrel? heck, really i could care less, it makes all the ones that arent worth all that much more money,
and a great way to to turn a 700.00 rifle into a 200.00 rifle, by spending 100.00,
i can always use a unaltered barrel in my barrel rack, as i get requests for them every day.
and have a few nice cut down barrels that would make great hunting rifle barrels waiting, for a swap.
thought i could help 2 guys out, and maybe make a couple bucks down the road.
with some 100 or so gunsmiths in the frontrange of Co. not one, will work on a 1903 springfield, 1917 Enfield, 91,or 95 Mausers, but they will jump on that M70, M700 or Browning rifle..
i know this, as they call me whn they get one in that needs refinished, repaired, or rebarreled.
most are clueless as to what the serial number ranges are to SHT to DHT ect.
so they just dont work on them.

[Jim Tarleton]

I have my own machine shop, and anyone that thinks crowning is a simple task has never PROPERLY crowned a barrel. I wouldn't do it for what Chuck charges.

My lathe cost in excess of $5000, and the various tools and devices to make it work cost about 50% of that. My Dumore (sp-1) lathe grinder and attachments alone was $2400 used. I could go on and on, but I think one can get the jist of the expense to set up to do accurate machine work. I can assure you that Chuck's prices are extremely reasonable.

Jim

[RED]

My all time favorite rifle is an '03 with a 20" Hart barrel and full Manlicher stock. I have killed a bunch of whitetails with it and it will still shoot incredibly well. I use 3031 and 165 gr. Sra Gamekings. The 3031 produces a smaller muzzle flash than others.

[Chuckindenver]

i love 3031 but get frustrated with it catching in my powder measure.
try RL22, it works a bit smoother and keeps the flash down as well.

[Dollar Bill]

4064 to 4350 are the normal burning rate powders associated with typical 30-06 loadings. They are going to reach peak pressures in about 22 inches of barrel length. 3031 is faster, by far, so the pressure curve is on the downward side as the bullet leaves the muzzle. RL22, on the other hand, is slower than the typical powders used, so it hasn't reached it's peak pressure yet. Going to a heavier bullet will also reduce the muzzle blast, especially if you stay with a faster powder. All these will result in a lower muzzle velocity, but at typical deer hunting ranges in the East, I honestly don't think it will make much difference, where more deer are probably taken with a 30-30 than any other round.

One other thing, Chuck is making you a fair offer, IMHO.

[Jim Tarleton]

I have been using 4895 and 135 gr SP's (mostly because I happen to have a lot of 4895). I just ignore the muzzle blast when hunting. On the range I use eye protectors.

I once had to trail a wounded deer through our heavy brush/trees/undergrowth complete with every vine and briar that God made. Think of walking through a half-mile of Jingle Gyms. I had a scoped (4x12) 24" bbl sporter that hung up on everything possible. I quickly realized the scope was useless in that stuff. I swore I would build one or two short barrel open-sighted rifles for that type of hunting. It ain't South Texas!

The two rifles I built are a 45-70 bolt action and a 7.65mm 91 Arg Mauser (what I had on hand). I already had a 91 Arg Engineer's carbine, but I wasn't about to start cutting on that one - it still has it's crest. I am very happy with both rifles, but the 45-70 was a compromise, and just isn't as good as the lighter and smaller 7.65 in that stuff.

Jim

[Chuckindenver]

i take that back, i looked at my old notes, reloader 15 and 19 are the ones i used.
15 for the 150 grn bullets, and 19 for heavy stuff up to 180 grn. it is{was} cheap, and works well in my powder measure.