1970 Vietnam M2

[DaveHH]

Thanks Mate,
We could use a little technicolor lunch talk here. Political correctness is straight out of Lenin's handbook.
Dave

[Captain O]

Thanks Mate,
We could use a little technicolor lunch talk here. Political correctness is straight out of Lenin's handbook.
Dave

Ain't it the truth? I wish that they would re-issue the M1, M1A1, and M2 Carbines. Not only were they effective, but are even more controllable than the "shorty" M16A2 rifle(s). Believe me, the men and women carrying them wouldn't complain about their weight or effective range or rate of fire. Load them up with Underwood ammunition and they would be more effective than hollowpoint/soft point ammunition and everyone would be happy. I guarantee that cold weather performance would not be lacking and they could carry more ammunition that once thought.

All you need is 50 billion rounds of Underwood's "Extreme Cavitator" ammunition and all would be right for 99.8% of urban fighting/house clearing.

[imarangemaster]

Hahhahaha! Snowflakes... In seven years of teaching i ran into a lot of students that were "Snowflakes". Funny thing is, it was teaching in California. When I taught in the rural mid-west, there was Junior ROTC, recruiters in the schools, and kids with patriotism. California, they were lazy, video game playing pansies. The only exception was the Continuation high school. A lot of those kids were tough from the mean streets, and did not expect to be coddled. I venture to say a higher percentage of those students went in than the regular California high schools.

My parents generation were mostly WWII vets. Muy dad and almost all of his brothers served in the Pacific.. My generation, we had a high percentage of vets. In my family, myself, one brother, and my sister were vets. We were still raised with a sense of service.

[TDH]

My Dad was 4F having had his legs ran over by a Model T truck as a boy I had four uncles in WWII. None that I know of served in Korea. My brother, myself and my fathers oldest offspring were all Air Force as well as two cousins (one of which went in as a Airman Basic and retired 25 years later as a Major. One of his sons just recently retired as a Major after 25 years in the AF) Another cousin was in the Navy and another did his time in the Marine reserves.

To steal a quote started on the Canal
And when I go to heaven to St Peter I will tell another Vet (Originally Marine) Reporting sir I served my time in Hell

[robertmcm]

I'd have to respectfully disagree here. I just shot my M2 and shorty m16 today and believe it or not I find my m16 a little more controllable.

Ain't it the truth? I wish that they would re-issue the M1, M1A1, and M2 Carbines. Not only were they effective, but are even more controllable than the "shorty" M16A2 rifle(s). Believe me, the men and women carrying them wouldn't complain about their weight or effective range or rate of fire. Load them up with Underwood ammunition and they would be more effective than hollowpoint/soft point ammunition and everyone would be happy. I guarantee that cold weather performance would not be lacking and they could carry more ammunition that once thought.

All you need is 50 billion rounds of Underwood's "Extreme Cavitator" ammunition and all would be right for 99.8% of urban fighting/house clearing.

[DaveHH]

If I'm looking at an eminent gunfight, the M16 or M14 would be my first choice.

A few dozen posts back there was a story about spiking enemy ammo dumps with bad rounds. One of my good friends from Petaluma was a SF Medic. He told me about those exercises. They would randomly open cases of ammo and drop in these explosive rounds. He said that they would generally kill the guy, at least that's what he heard. Makes sense, you have to abandon the whole thing. If you don't have the people to haul it out, blowing it is the alternative. That would leave a lot of rounds that were scattered but still good. This worked 100%. He had a brand new Chinese Tokarev 33 with a brand new holster that he pilfered out of one of the ammo dumps they wrecked. He said there was a whole case of them.
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[imntxs554]

A few dozen posts back there was a story about spiking enemy ammo dumps with bad rounds. One of my good friends from Petaluma was a SF Medic. He told me about those exercises. They would randomly open cases of ammo and drop in these explosive rounds. He said that they would generally kill the guy

This sound exactly what some Studies and Observations Groups would do in Vietnam. Atleast thats what I read in a couple of Books. They had Sabotage Missions down to a T. These guys were maniacs and lived there lives way behind enemy lines. It's Just incredible what type of missions they would do.

[Roy W]

A very interesting thread. I worked in Kuwait in 1991/92 for a US company doing EOD work. Our Team Leader was a Vietnam Vet called Jim W*****. He had spent 6.5yrs in Vietnam, was recruited and worked for the spooks. He told me about the spiking of ammo. They pulled rounds and filled the cases with PETN, then reassembled them. They were placed amongst ammo dumps, and they were almost captured doing so on more than one occasion.

He was also sent to purchase weapons on the black market, with briefcases full of USD, to prevent the NVN getting hold of them. Once such consignment was crates full of WW2 era 'Grease Guns'. He said they couldn't get rid of them, nobody wanted them (US/SVN side) so they were dumped in the harbour.

He had many other stories, none of which I had any reason to doubt. His uniform photo bore 13 combat stripes, he said everyone kept asking if he'd been a POW!

[painter777]

Roy,
I gotta ask because I don't know....
Is PETN the stuff like Nitro, and or Semtex, that's like crystal?
Same type or similar to what the terrorist are trying to use on planes... etc ?

Thx
Charlie-Painter777

[browningautorifle]

Is PETN the stuff like Nitro, and or Semtex, that's like crystal?

Pentaerythritol tetranitrate - Wikipedia For what it's worth...