Update: I am glad I have my AR15 SP1 carbine clone (1/7 twist 6420 barrel) with the 4X handy. Yesterday the next door neighbor saw a mountain lion in my creek bottom. We have horses, dogs, and small grandkids here, so if he comes any closer, he'll being eating a MK262 MOd1 77 grain SMK OTM up his @ss. With 150 yards max, I think it is a tad far for an iron sighted M1 Carbine.
Lots of livestock attacks in our county (we live in the Sierra Nevada Foothills) and some recent very close calls with humans. I'm on Search and Rescue, and its possible one or two of our missing hikers fell prey to the swarm of big cats we have here lately. This month a neighbors dog was just eaten by a lion, and a friend had a lion kill a deer 50 feet from her back door just last week.
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Those cats have spread across Calif. We used to have one sneak through on the way out to the coast, but now they reside right here in Annadel park in Santa Rosa. There are dead carcasses on my local golf course. These are not benign fun little cats, when the deer are gone they will kill and eat people. Last time I was up in Modoc, you couldn't find a deer with a Geiger counter, even the squeakers were gone. These cats kill with a single bite to the back of the neck, kind of like Stalin. If one comes on my property, it's toast.
I have 800 sq acres of forest beside my place here and I have to agree with you Dave, I wouldn't hesitate if one wandered out of the forest. It does happen but I've not been present.
This park is about 1 1/2 miles up the mountain from here and hikers spot them all the time sitting on rocks sunning themselves. When some kid gets snatched and eaten everyone will go nuts. I have a 3-4 acre field behind my place and one side abuts the state highway 12. I regularly have Skunks, racoons, foxes and turkeys in my back yard. A mile from here a cat was given rabies by an infected bat. The cougars take a deer a week, and there are plenty left. The deer hang out on the golf course to avoid the cats. One doe had three fawns and spent the whole year bopping around that course without losing any of the kids.
Cougars and Coyotes,
When thinking of either nothing "Cute' comes to mind.
Friends hunted out west for years. I was told that most kills by Mountain lions/Cougars were killed as Dave H describes. but was also told they first consumed the vital chest organs... by going through the ribcage. They discard the stomach and often bury it so it doesn't spoil the meat and that the stomach/intestines smell doesn't attract moochers. After ward dragging their leftovers and hiding it in a cache, often buried or covered with brush. Taking a few days to finish off a mature deer. They are NOT the solitary hunter many think they are. When a dominant dies his range of upwards of 120 sq miles is quickly taken over by another.
Coyotes, I have some experience with, having killed nearly 2 dozen. With night vision I've seen/heard/watched Coyotes push deer toward a no escape corner, like high fencing, or a ambush. After the kill they will eat from the rear end, often leaving the carcass spread out and in dismembered pieces.
Coyotes are in numbers here, Wolves being reintroduced up north.
The Feral Hogs are quickly becoming an issue here that will soon be a major problem.
Be safe and dispatch when needed.
Anyone telling you Cougars are lone animals should see this..... @ 1:04
The .30 carbine round is ballistically close to the .357 mag round. Not really suitable for most hunting, it's should be able to handle any 2 legged threat within 100 yds. Even a rebuilt USGI M1 carbine should be reliable for SHTF situations. Operation is really simple, there's little that can go wrong with it. With USGI 15 rd mags, feeding is reliable. Plus, the low recoil, light weight, & short stock make it easy for women/children to shoot. One caveat: don't store loaded mags with a rubber cover; they will rust.
Bottom line folks; 2 different rounds, 2 different weapons, 2 different ballistics, 2 different effective ranges, use a weapon most suited for it's intended purpose or do the best you can with what is available!
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The real reason I started this thread is because I have been collecting for 30 years and now my wife wants me to sell off everything because if something happens to me she does not want to have to mess with them. I told her I would get rid of everything except what I need for self defense emergency situations. So with that excuse I got to figure what I can keep out of what is left of my collection. I have a Remington 870 riot gun from the Kansas Nat guard, a rock ola carbine, a colt SP1 dated 1977, a original 1941 Garand, 2 1903s , a 1917 enfield, a S&W navy victory, a Remington rand 1911A1, a colt 1911. a 1942 Luger, a early Nazi high power, a Nazi Saur, a CZ27 and a colt detective special. I know the Garand is not in the running for self defense but if I get rid of it I will never find another original prewar Garand. Any suggestion of what I need to keep
Suggestion: List all of your collection with fair market values And put it with your important papers. If you have a decent gun shop close by , go talk to them about liquidating your collection when you move on. This should make it easier on your wife.
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I have a Remington 870 riot gun from the Kansas Nat guard,
There's the one you need for PERSONAL defense. Price up and sell the rest. If you aren't going to sell them then just hand a price tag off them with the established date and forget them. Due diligence is done. You can't control when you go or what happens to your stuff after.
Carbine.
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Originally Posted by DaveHH
