Again, my Vetterly was an old Italiancenter fire and I made up pyrodex ammo with a lead bullet round. Probably pretty gentle. I shot it seldom and doubt it's been shot since if it even still exists... I sure wouldn't get too randy with an old rifle I couldn't be sure what had transpired over the century plus it was in existence. Like Charlie stated, we had talked about 70 year old carbines that are starting to give up from excessive time and ammo load...how can older be more stable?