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Israeli No4 T rifle origin? Faz or BSA?
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04-18-2018 01:48 AM
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Don't know much about them except your front pad set up looks vastly different to my 1944 BSA M47C T (see pic) is there any markings on the back two flats as there should be a mark on each one the resident experts will surely be here soon the lack of any definitive marks may or may not be a good sign.
Nice wood though.
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Originally Posted by
303kiwi
I think it's a Bitzer and quite recently assembled.
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Originally Posted by
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I think it's a Bitzer and quite recently assembled.
Changed opinion in light of best assessment in Post #8 below.
Last edited by jmoore; 04-19-2018 at 02:58 AM.
Reason: Roger Payne's input
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Originally Posted by
303kiwi
It looks like what you are taking as a BSA "B" is actually the Long Branch logo, on the band for instance.
Agreed, looks to be recently assembled with NOS woodwork.
Still, if its been assembled and bedded correctly with a decent bore, it should shoot very well,so just enjoy it.
Wood looks like it would benefit from a Linseed feed...
Last edited by mrclark303; 04-18-2018 at 03:56 AM.
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I think early BSA made rifle.
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Hopefully the sting was not to harsh for the purchaser...................!
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It's a run of the mill 1942 BSA Shirley rifle that was set up as a T by the Israelis. Not sure how it came about but its barrelled action, together with a small number of other Israeli set up rifles (or what was left of them) ended up in Parker-Hale's basement stores, from where they were acquired by on old dealer friend of mine. This particular one I had off him & assembled it with the NOS wood that you see on it. The Israeli markings were ground or filed off by my pal before he realised quite what he'd got! I never rated it as it was a post WW2 non Commonwealth set up anyway, & so out of my sphere of interest, but the late Bruce Gorton got all excited about it, in spite of me trying to put him off, & so it went over to NZ
where I see it still resides. The scope I bought, also in the nineties, from the US, when there was a few about. It might have been Numrich, or somebody like that. The furniture you see on the rifle was simply what came to hand at the time, no more mystery to it than that.
The 'recent set up' was actually done in about 1996, give or take a year or two, so it's been looked after in the meantime.
Hopefully that clarifies matters a little......
ATB
Last edited by Roger Payne; 04-18-2018 at 08:16 AM.
Reason: typo
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Michael: Glad you posted the pic's here and now you have some of the story.
Did you get it focused using my instructions ??
Numrich had a few of the scopes in the cans back in the 90's. Breakeyp can give you the date on that part of the story.
Also, if anyone has any info on the late Bruce Gorton's son DEON GORTON I'd appreciate hearing from them via a PM.
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The major import of these scopes was in SARCO. Warren, that is where the decrepit scope I sent you came from.
Springfield Sporters had a few of the scope mounts in the late 1980s, which were cast Bronze if I recall correctly.
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