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    I would vote for the LE #4 as well, but (although I am not Frenchicon) would have to put a bit of a plug in for the MAS 36 as well. It is hampered by a smaller capacity magazine than the LE, but it is light, handles well, the bolt is smooth and well placed, and the aperture sights work well. I think with less French bureaucratic incompetence keeping its production low it could have made a difference in larger numbers in 1940.

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    Anything .303. First, anything derived from one of the Lee patents. Second, the P-14 because of the rock solid Mauser system breech, and last but not least the Ross. The Ross has been maligned for years by some, perhaps it was built to too tight of tolerances for the mud of the trenches and along with out of spec Brit ammo that was the Achilles heel of the rifle. On the other hand it sure performed at Bisley, maybe not a battle rifle but surely it was a marksman's rifle.

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    DeLisle carbine! for the intended use by the Commando's heavy pill going sub-sonic guaranteed to spoil a sentries night and confuse others as to your location.

    Its clear that the thread is definitely on the side of the Lee lineage whilst there are many other contenders with fine attributes some that have seen battle the Lee offers the average foot soldier reliability in harsh conditions, good robust design that could take a fair amount of abuse, accurate enough for the average soldier to eliminate the enemy at a reasonable distance, good magazine capacity.
    History has proven the design one of the greatest in modern history in the fact that it is or was until recently still in active front line use by the Canadianicon Forrest Rangers (No.4's) and is still in use around the world in battles though on the wrong side of the line

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    Greatest bolt action battle rifle..... one paper I would vote for US Model 1917, Model 98 derived action, good peep sights, 30.06 rimless and just very robust. In the real world, the Enfield seems to be in front for good reasons. They have proven themselves for a long time in many places. A good condition No 4 and a can of good surplus ammo gave me an indication of why they deserve the title. Other honorable mention for two other rifles; Of all my military surplus bolt action rifles, I put the most rounds accurately on target with my Swedishicon M-38, and it is a beater. It also lost less accuracy and still functioned well when very hot and dirty, this was shooting a lot of ammo in the dusty dirty open desert. Another beater is a Finnishicon Mosin M-39, accurate and easy to get ammo for, but once it got hot and dirty it became a bit fussy. Both of these rifles have less than great sights. The No 4 Enfield or the SMLE are what I see if somebody says the words "bolt action battle rifle".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    DeLisle carbine! for the intended use by the Commando's heavy pill going sub-sonic guaranteed to spoil a sentries night and confuse others as to your location.

    Its clear that the thread is definitely on the side of the Lee lineage whilst there are many other contenders with fine attributes some that have seen battle the Lee offers the average foot soldier reliability in harsh conditions, good robust design that could take a fair amount of abuse, accurate enough for the average soldier to eliminate the enemy at a reasonable distance, good magazine capacity.
    History has proven the design one of the greatest in modern history in the fact that it is or was until recently still in active front line use by the Canadian Forrest Rangers (No.4's) and is still in use around the world in battles though on the wrong side of the line
    The Canadian Rangers are no longer using the No4 and it has been replaced with a what is a C19 rifle. Now for some reason we Canadians have to name everything with a C, just like the CF18 so maybe some desk jockey in DND headquarters thinks this is just a little better than a CF18 jet.

    Actually it is a Sako T3 CTR and the receiver, barrel and bolt will be produced by Colt Canadaicon (Demaco) under licence from Sako. Stoeger Canada will be the supplier.

    For some reason Canada has a contract that Colt must be the "supplier" of military arms for the Canadian military which in reality makes no sense at all. Why would any company in this day and age allow a competitor to have access to their firearms development, especially Colt?

    A guy I compete with has the new rifle in what they refer to as a civilian model. It is stainless which makes total sense seeing where it will spend most of its life up north and a great laminate stock. The civi model is very accurate but overpriced ($2,700.00) IMO which probably comes from too many companies having their hand in production/distribution. Reality is the military model and civi model are virtually identical in most aspects.

    One very sad thing is the old Lee Enfields will be destroyed, what a shame as no matter how worn/beat they are such a icon of Canadian history that will be lost forever. But I must recognize you can't fix stupid.
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    The Canadianicon Rangers are formed with Indigenous people along with other residents to patrol the north under the direction of the department of national defense. Forest rangers would be conservation officers under the department of natural resources. Not much forest up in the barren lands.

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    The Canadian Rangers are formed with Indigenous people along with other residents to patrol the north under the direction of the department of national defense. Forest rangers would be conservation officers under the department of natural resources. Not much forest up in the barren lands.
    Well to fair, isn’t Canadaicon just one big forest? ;-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus76 View Post
    Well to fair, isn’t Canadaicon just one big forest? ;-p
    Hate to admit that to many Yanks Canada is just one big forest covered in ice most of the year and inhabited by polar bears.
    Why use a 50 pound bomb when a 500 pound bomb will do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfield303t View Post
    Hate to admit that to many Yanks Canadaicon is just one big forest covered in ice most of the year and inhabited by polar bears.

    Not to this Yank - I've been there a few times....

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfield303t View Post
    Hate to admit that to many Yanks Canadaicon is just one big forest covered in ice most of the year and inhabited by polar bears.
    It was a joke... I’ve been to Canada a few times. Politics aside, it’s a wonderful country with friendly people.

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