When it really happens: SHTF...

[browningautorifle]

We already have problems with people staying at home just for the 15 day spell we have been given. Yesterday they were moving around in force, if we're given another half month or month they might just lose patience and toss it in a bin, go back to normal times. They aren't disciplined or able to handle being told what to do. Also, we aren't getting any reasoning that makes sense here. Everything is contradicted...

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[mrclark303]

We already have problems with people staying at home just for the 15 day spell we have been given. Yesterday they were moving around in force, if we're given another half month or month they might just lose patience and toss it in a bin, go back to normal times. They aren't disciplined or able to handle being told what to do. Also, we aren't getting any reasoning that makes sense here. Everything is contradicted...

The grand plan Jim is to place as many people out of harm's way as possible, while Covid 19 infects others until it runs out of viable hosts and starts to dissipate. The problem is that in our densely populated cities, it will have plenty of new hosts, now matter how careful the lockdown ... People can't live in laboratory conditions after all.

A vaccine presents risks in itself, as the virus has no need to evolve while it's reproduction is unhindered.

A vaccine could well see a future outbreak of Covid 19 on steroids, as it adaps to counter the vaccine. Perhaps presenting the world with a considerably more lethal outbreak.

[Aragorn243]

I want to start this off by saying I'm a Christian and a pretty conservative and faithful one. Just wanted to put that out there because of a minister in Florida was arrested for holding church services despite an order by the governor of the state prohibiting large gatherings of people. The story goes:

"On Sunday, Howard-Browne defended his decision to keep the church open in a video posted to his YouTube channel, claiming the building had the technology to eradicate any virus.

"We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place," Howard-Browne said. "If they sneeze it shoots it down like at 100 miles per hour and it will neutralize it in a split second."

In addition to being a Christian, I'm a Constitutionalist and a scientist. Claims of 1st Amendment protections are invalid here because it does not stop they from holding services, they are fully set up to live stream the services and in addition to that, short term emergency orders which limit other rights are Constitutional. As a scientist, I'm wondering who is making these devices and why we all don't have them because it would seem it would end this crisis very fast.

Yes there are issues here. Religious freedom is the very first right protected in the Constitution. Some faithful believe that God will protect them while in church, and yes there are many that follow the motto "if God wills it, so be it" Not trying to get into any religious debate here but this is something I can see happening only in America. This obviously isn't the only church. There are synagoues in NYC that are ignoring the orders, many smaller churches nationwide. These actions most certainly do not endear them to non-believers nor the majority of the practicing religious.