Will Buyers Ever Get Smarter?

[tenOC]

no offense but with two companies making "factory new" m1 carbines,,,,, I don't see the point in going for a mix master and twice the cost of them. Still not sure if the new factory guns are actually worth the time and investment. But hey, its ok for people to be stupid.

A factory fresh Carbine for an inflated price?



That's the same as paying 6K for something you could get for 1/3 the cost. Most of us can't even understand why someone would bother. It has no history. It didn't walk the walk. It's only seen a little combat on TV. They're newly made because someone can make a profit producing them.

[W5USMC]

Speaking of S-T-B's replicas. Last August STB purchased a mixer Rockola on GB for $1250, the sellers description is below:

"This M1 Carbine is marked “ROCK-OLA” on the barrel, piston housing, receiver and
recoil plate. The front sight is marked “RIA” the stamped trigger housing is unmarked
(probably lateral support from Underwood), “A.I.” marked flat bolt, “WM” marked
hammer, “AI” marked band, “PI” marked slide, “H” within a shield marked rear sight,
unmarked two rivet handguard, “I cut” stock with faint “WRA” over “GHD” cartouche
next to the crossed cannon acceptance mark and a circled “P” on the bottom of the
grip and an un-circled “P” on its face. The sling has faint “MRT” markings and the oiler
is unmarked. It retains about 75% finish with no rust or pitting, just some blended gray
patina while the bore is a perfect mirror with strong, sharp rifling. The serial number is
1728883. There are no import marks."

Fast forward to June of this year, S-T-B sold the same now "corrected" or should I say "HUMPED" carbine for $2875, Below is STB's new description that got him a $1625 profit:

"Up for bid is a USGI WW2 M1 Carbine. It was produced probably mid part of 1943. It is in great condition with No rust or pitting and has NO IMPORT stamps or marks. The barrel is "Rock-Ola" coded on the top front. No corrosion. Clean and clear inside and measures a "@" with the muzzle erosion gauge. No bayonet lug scuff on the top. The front sight is the type 1 (milled) and coded with the "T R" on the front. The front barrel band is the early type and coded with the "M-R" on the band. The rear sight is the type 1 (flip) sight and is coded with the "BR" on the right side. There is NO stake marks around the sight. The safety is the early push type and the Magazine Catch is the type 2A and is coded with the "A-R". The
buttplate and recoil plate are both "Rock-Ola". Inside parts are all "Rock-Ola" coded. The stock is the type 2 (Highwood and oval-cut) and is coded with the "RMC" in the slingwell. It has the "RMC" in the box and the small crossed cannons under it. The wood is in excellent condition with No split or cracks, No M2-cut, No arsenal rebuild or repairs. Handguard is the type 2 and coded with the "RMC" on the bottom. Overall, a very collective WW2 M1 Carbine."

The unfortunate this is that I believe that the buyer may be a newer member of the CCC forum.

[painter777]

Hey Wayne,
He's smart enough to wait until you can no longer pull up the Carbines or barreled receivers history on GB. They time out and no longer available to view.
He caught on after seeing we were noting the serial numbers then able to pin up the Before and after links. Like you described above but we had the pictured links.
So now after buying they just put it together and list 'After' the buy listing is gone. In the door out the door, just a longer turn over time now. Gives em time to tweak them just right.

Ever look at his As A Buyer Feedback ? You can copy down serial numbers and months later it reappears. Surprised he buys using the same username, but that might change when cornered. He has a following that's for sure.
Just a shame so many follow his tune.

I've never been able to pin down where they are getting the new stocks. Ever notice every stick of wood is the exact same color ?
Must have bought a barrel of that stain.

He stopped calling them as manufactured/originals years back. Carefully dances around all that with the description.

I feel bad for the newer CCC member.

Thx,
Charlie-P777

[Singer B]

I inquired a few weeks ago about a Rock Ola that the other members identified as having an Underwood stock. The sale of that rifle fell through but it may be reoffered in a month or two. Before spending that amount of money, you can guarantee I would be asking for help in this forum.

[tenOC]

He buys using other usernames too. When people start following him and outbidding him he'll do that. I used to do that to him and he'd use a different bidder name to try to throw me off the item.

Sam bought a receiver from me and I blocked him from then on. A couple years ago a newer GB user bought something from me, but a couple months later I saw in Sam's feedback that the same guy bought one of the over-priced fakes, plus was bidding on another item. So I looked his email up and contacted him to tell him all the reproduction parts on it. He didn't respond and won the high priced fake anyway. Perhaps it was a buy for someone else. Perhaps it was one of the shill accounts to bid his own items up and he used that account to buy something from me because I blocked him..

[painter777]

no offense but with two companies making "factory new" m1 carbines,,,,, I don't see the point in going for a mix master and twice the cost of them. Still not sure if the new factory guns are actually worth the time and investment. But hey, its ok for people to be stupid.

Years ago at a local gun shop my Wife came scooting over and whispered they have M1 carbines back there. Whispered as if a item had the wrong price tag on it. They were commercial carbines. I've never owned a commercial one but have worked on and test fired a few early Plainfields for friends.

For me if you can understand, we grew up getting our first firearms for Xmas at age 5. Sometimes new sometimes used but every year to come until late in my Fathers life. Not counting the arms we'd buy at the flea markets with our chore money. Or the misc collections passed down over the years from my Brother, Uncles and the Grandpa's. The ones Dad bought us came with strings attached, some we were told to never shoot and some for shooting. But hanging on the wall for as long as I can remember was Dad's War gun. We'd come in from playing War and I remember pointing it out to my young buddies who still recognize it today. It will always be the corner stone of my collection. A long story on how he got it home from the Philippines but thank God for Australians ! We never fired and never touched the War gun. It wasn't until he was sick that I pulled it out and looked in to it. A .30 cal M1 carbine was what I read and that was as much as I knew about them. As his health and memory faded I studied and researched it deeper. Long road getting beat up as a new guy on forums but I relate these USGI arms to those like my Father. And it's not a snow ball but more like an avalanche if that bug hits you. Many use and love the commercials and I figure that just puts less wear and tear on a USGI carbine, so all around its a win. The cost is what it is. But to be honest I know this hobby has cost me more than I paid for my home when purchased in 1986. I could go on and on, but I'm hoping this gives you a better understanding why I for one prefer the history and memories that these particular Milsurps provide. Built at a time when all pitched in and did without for a common cause. A truly United States of America. Wouldn't it be nice to see and feel some of that now, here in this day and age ?
Dad passed away on my Deceased Sisters Birthday Jan 30, 2017 at the age of 91. He is buried at The Middle Tennessee State Veterans Cemetery

VR,
Charlie-P777

[painter777]

He buys using other usernames too. When people start following him and outbidding him he'll do that. I used to do that to him and he'd use a different bidder name to try to throw me off the item.

Sam bought a receiver from me and I blocked him from then on. A couple years ago a newer GB user bought something from me, but a couple months later I saw in Sam's feedback that the same guy bought one of the over-priced fakes, plus was bidding on another item. So I looked his email up and contacted him to tell him all the reproduction parts on it. He didn't respond and won the high priced fake anyway. Perhaps it was a buy for someone else. Perhaps it was one of the shill accounts to bid his own items up and he used that account to buy something from me because I blocked him..

You got him nailed Ten,
He knows all the angles. I don't recall what it was but I remember buying from him on Ebay. A couple times, just minor parts. IIRC parts shipped from FLa. Sam Tom Bob, wasn't that the original group ? This was years+ ago. Back when Eddy YuJa sold as MoatnGator and Nick Dailey (SP?) was still around as Folmote (again SP ?) on Ebay.

BTW Anyone remember a seller on Ebay way back called something like Alden33, from up in the Northeast ? I bought some absolutely beautiful stocks from him and a 6 pack of wrapped C tip slings. He had a Canadian connection for the stocks.

CH-P777

[deldriver]

I said before that there's buyers out there that don't care what they buy, and that includes fake stuff too. Also, you can't educate those who for what ever reason want to remain ignorant, are too proud to accept advice and too stubborn to admit they were wrong about something.

[jimb16]

Nick Daley was Folcmote. I was looking thru some of my old addys the other day and made a mental note of his old addy.
All this makes me wonder what I could get for that early 5 digit Inland that I bought. You supplied me with the correct stock and I had to replace the later hammer spring with an early one. Other than that, everything else was original. It did have the muzzle reamed to restore accuracy, but that isn't unusual. I'm betting I could at least double my original investment, IF I was willing to part with it. But a carbine that early could well have made it onto the beach during Operation Torch. I think I'll hang on the that one.

[tenOC]

Obviously some people apply their own negative descriptions of their character with their behavior.
In a completely 'unrelated' and wholly separate issue, Sam, stop bidding on my items. It's obviously easier to cause trouble and tear things down. Just look at the no-character looters every week. It doesn't take any intelligence nor good qualities there either. Same thing.