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X8 Trials rifle Bayonet
Imperial L1A1 SLR & Military Accessories UK
recently had a X8 trials X2 E1 bayonet come into stock. Basically I believe that it is a slightly shortened FN FAl bayonet with UK markings. Anthony, the proprietor sent me a few images of the bayonet to see if I wanted to purchase it. While querying if the scabbard was correctly marked to go with the bayonet, as apposed to being a plain FN scabbard, the bayonet got sold to someone else.
I asked Anthony if I could reproduce the images here because I thought that other forum members may be interested to see them and he kindly agreed.
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Last edited by Flying10uk; 10-29-2020 at 08:48 PM.
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10-29-2020 08:31 PM
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I'll dig an X2E1 bayo out - it looks to me like yours has had the tip shortened.
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Originally Posted by
Lee Enfield
it looks to me like yours has had the tip shortened.
Agreed, that one looks stubbed off. They were almost a work of art originally... This one owned by our own Capt Stevens...
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Originally Posted by
Lee Enfield
it looks to me like yours has had the tip shortened.
Yes, the vendor said that it had been shortened by the UK
army. I hesitated about buying it until I checked that the scabbard was correct to the bayonet, in which time it had been sold. I am not that familiar with the trails bayonets but I do have a couple of FN FAL bayonets and as this bayonet wasn't cheap I wanted to be sure of what I was getting before parting with my cash.
Did the Uk officially shorten some of these bayonets as part of the trail or did this one likely have the tip broken off and was then tidied up by grinding at the end, please?
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Originally Posted by
Flying10uk
did this one likely have the tip broken off
I think he was feeding you bullsh...well, you know. Remember that trials equipment usually was trialed to destruction. The bayonet in question was one of those. We don't shorten our bayonets, that one broke and was cleaned up after.
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Originally Posted by
bayo_madness
Attachment 112001
BRITISH Trials X2E1 Type A FN F.A.L. Experimental Bayonet & X1E1 Scabbard
Manufactured by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in
Belgium
c.1954-55
The Wooden Grip versions of the F.A.L. Bayonet was designated for use in British Trials, Canadian Trials and
Australian
Trials - Designated as Type A. The other variations to this bayonet hold differing grips and other aspects to the prongs that differ - These examples were Type B and Type C. The wood grip designated version was not a commercial or re-branded bayonet and it is should be noted that all wood grip F.A.L. Bayonets were intended and supplied as part of contracts to
England
,
Canada
and Australia.
It is worth while noting that while a majority of X2E1 Bayonets trialed by Britain, Australia and Canada hold some form of the X2E1 markings and / or serial numbers, there are also examples for Australia and Britain where the Trials X2E1 bayonet held no identifying marks.
"X" - Prefix in Weapons nomenclature
"E" - Series of Subsequent Changes
These were ONLY applied to TRAILS or Prototypes
There were two tips as noted with the first example, these were modified as a result of damage. Both the long and short tip X2E1 bayonets were part of the trials.
I had heard that after the trials, the X2E1 was unsuccessful with the vast majority of the Type A bayonets having the blades broken, sold to a scrap yard with examples now out in the market with the blades welded back. Important to look for signature signs of this occurring.
While the X2E1 and Canadian Ex1 bayos are similar if not identical, there is a subtle difference in the shape of the latch.
If a bayonet is marked X2E1 it is NOT Canadian...
Canadian bayonets were un marked (except with standard FN inspectors markings) and only marked with the rifle serial number - usually at unit level.
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Originally Posted by
Lee Enfield
While the X2E1 and
Canadian
Ex1 bayos are similar if not identical, there is a subtle difference in the shape of the latch.
If a bayonet is marked X2E1 it is NOT Canadian...
Canadian bayonets were un marked (except with standard FN inspectors markings) and only marked with the rifle serial number - usually at unit level.
Attachment 112052
Attachment 112053
Always great to hear differing views and information 
Attached is a what I believe is a Canadian version of the Type A FAL. It holds the X2E1 prefix along with the scribed electric pencil serial number on the pommel.
If the information I hold is correct the following apply.
Canadian Ordred F.A.L. 2,000 qty Rifles.
Most X2E1 Bayonets were numbered on the Pommel 1-2000.
Serial Numbers is a four digit, either stamped or scribed electric pencil.
Some X2E1 Bayonets do not hold the Serial Numbers.
Most, but not all scabbards were marked X1E1 on the top scabbard at the throat.
As per the Canadian Army EME Manual Small Arms C 803 Instr 4 dated 14 December 1954.
Always open to correcting this as the X2E1 is a bayonet Im keen to know more about.
Cheers,
Dane
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Originally Posted by
bayo_madness
Attachment 112052
Attachment 112053
Always great to hear differing views and information
Attached is a what I believe is a
Canadian
version of the Type A FAL. It holds the X2E1 prefix along with the scribed electric pencil serial number on the pommel.
If the information I hold is correct the following apply.
Canadian Ordred F.A.L. 2,000 qty Rifles.
Most X2E1 Bayonets were numbered on the Pommel 1-2000.
Serial Numbers is a four digit, either stamped or scribed electric pencil.
Some X2E1 Bayonets do not hold the Serial Numbers.
Most, but not all scabbards were marked X1E1 on the top scabbard at the throat.
As per the Canadian Army EME Manual Small Arms C 803 Instr 4 dated 14 December 1954.
Always open to correcting this as the X2E1 is a bayonet Im keen to know more about.
Cheers,
Dane
Your X2E1 bayonet is serial numbered 11877, well above any Canadian rifle.
I could only speculate on the e-penned number - but it definitely isn't Canadian.
given a reminder or 2 I will dig out a couple Canadian and Brit bayonets - and maybe both of my "type 2" (T-48) bayos
Last edited by Lee Enfield; 11-02-2020 at 10:37 AM.
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Thanks for all the replies and input everyone.
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