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    Your ammunition was made in 1999 at the Nosovibirsk Low Voltage Equipment plant in Novosibirsk, Russiaicon and is non corrosive and fairly accurate in my experience.
    Is yours soft point or FMJ? I have some white box 148gr FMJ that's labeled as "hunting ammunition". Seems I remember the hunting ammunition designation was used as a loophole to skirt the Obummer era import ban on Russian military style guns and ammo. My 91/30 PU was imported as a "hunting carbine" around the same time frame.
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    Hello, thanks for responding to my question. It’s an FMJ. I pulled one of the bullets and it appears to have a boat tail. Looks well made. Glad to hear that it’s non -corrosive. One can never be too sure with the eastern block stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMALEW123 View Post
    It’s an FMJ.
    While its say Hunting Ammo, it's not for most game, you cant take large game in most states using FMJ and you wouldn't want to if you are ethical. You can however use them on People quite successfully as war has proven and for shooting various targets.
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    Why is it unethical to shoot an animal with a bullet that is perfectly ethical to use on humans?
    Which is more ethical, a well placed fmj that kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds at most or a poorly placed state of the art purpose made hunting bullet where the animal dies a slow agonizing death that may take hours to come?
    Marksmanship skills and bullet placement trumps bullet construction any day of the week, imo.
    Pic: exit wound from 5.56mm M193 ball( about as unethical of a combination as you can have according to the purist Fudds) at approx. 140 yds that brushed the spine taking out the aortic artery in the process. Deer was dead before it fell over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    Why is it unethical to shoot an animal with a bullet that is perfectly ethical to use on humans?
    Which is more ethical, a well placed fmj that kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds at most or a poorly placed state of the art purpose-made hunting bullet where the animal dies a slow agonizing death that may take hours to come?
    Why is because of the Hague Convention, which bans any ammunition specifically designed to aggravate wounding through its terminal ballistics. A .22 "kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds" if properly placed too. That is not a reason why it's ethical to use FMJ's hunting. I poorly place FMJ will wound leaving the large game to suffer LONGER than a "art purpose-made hunting bullet," not sure where the "art" comes in, poorly placed in the same area, this is amplified as the distance from target increases.

    This is simple ballistics, more energy is deposited when a hunting bullet is used due to its expansion, it will impart greater tissue damage, blood loss, and shock to the animal then will FMJ's. FMJ's do not expand and as a result, imparts little shock and causes very little tissue damage. You don't have to believe me, there is much information on the subject available.

    Anyhow, I can't see a reason to use FMJ's that were not made for hunting when the choices (outside of California due to lead restrictions) for hunting ammo are large. Is a few cents per round between FMJ's and Hunting ammo that big of a deal?

    If I'm a "FUDD" for understanding ballistics and promoting ethical hunting then, I wear that insult as a badge of honor. BTW: If you really took that deer with a 5.56mm M193 ball FMJ and were in S.C., then you did so in violation of S.C. hunting regulations "3.3 – On WMA lands, big game hunters are not allowed to use armor-piercing, tracer, incendiary, or full metal bullets or .22 or smaller rimfire. "
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