When it really happens: SHTF...

[Aragorn243]

"There is a fundamental incompatibility between Islam and liberty which can never be resolved; one of them must disappear"

Not exactly. Iran was once a very enlightened nations, part of the world. Egypt, Syria, Jordan all have had various levels of freedom.

It's when religious zealots gain control that the conflict begins. Granted true Islam is what the zealots want and the type that allowed freedom is an extremely watered down version of it but it can be done. What I don't understand is how all these people so willingly give up that freedom for a very oppressive religion. Turkey is going the wrong way.

But then look at us. Our governor now provided us with a website so we can report our neighbors, our businesses, etc for not following his unconstitutional dictates and people quite happily are willing to do so. They talk out of both sides of their mouths and now lie with impunity and the lies are quite obvious lies.

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[Surpmil]

"There is a fundamental incompatibility between Islam and liberty which can never be resolved; one of them must disappear"

Not exactly. Iran was once a very enlightened nations, part of the world. Egypt, Syria, Jordan all have had various levels of freedom.

It's when religious zealots gain control that the conflict begins. Granted true Islam is what the zealots want and the type that allowed freedom is an extremely watered down version of it but it can be done. What I don't understand is how all these people so willingly give up that freedom for a very oppressive religion. Turkey is going the wrong way.

But then look at us. Our governor now provided us with a website so we can report our neighbors, our businesses, etc for not following his unconstitutional dictates and people quite happily are willing to do so. They talk out of both sides of their mouths and now lie with impunity and the lies are quite obvious lies.

A third of India is controlled by Maoist rebels today; mostly from the have-not castes. Despite the huge birth rate, what future does Hinduism have against the Chinese steamroller with a fifth column of that size?

Iran? We know what brought Pahlavi to power and kept him there as the wellspring of islamic radicalism, don't we?

Fundamentally, most of our so-called leaders in the last 50 odd years are at best fools, and at worst outright criminals and the proportion of the latter increases steadily. Ignorance and poverty of outlook is their commonality. All societies reach a tipping point; we're very close. Funny, but fundamentally it's a moral problem.

Those who missed what Gen. Smedley Butler said about his contacts with power, might have caught what Gen. Wesley Clark said. Then again, maybe not!

The reality is stark, few want to face it. Thereby guaranteeing that we will face it, on the least favourable terms.

Islam has some friends in the west, and you'd be surprised how many and who. The blind leading the blind again. Their children and grandchildren will pay the price.

But let's distract ourselves while we can!

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are at best fools, and at worst outright criminals and the proportion of the latter increases steadily

"...and I believe farther that this [government] is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other." This was part of Franklin's closing remarks to the convention...the famous "I agree to it, Sir, with all its faults" speech.
Madison's journal shows that there was a very central theme of worrying over the inevitable results of power and corruption. The opposing sides of debate agreed on that, and disagreed on best methods to curb it.
Our dear leaders today all seem to agree on a need for more power and corruption, and mostly seem to only disagree on how to go about getting it or perhaps who.
In the words of our likely to be new dear leader..."C'mon,..,Man!" - Glass half full!? There is plenty still to be positive about? even whilst battling isolation, lockdowns, and all the other SHTF stuff?

Thanksgiving was too dark. In our annual round the table what are we most thankful for, I noticed there wasn't any usual love and snuggles to our thoughts. I told my kids I was most thankful I still had a job, when so many others didn't. Even at 8 and 11yrs old they get what is going on better than most. The kids were were most thankful that we were still doing Thanksgiving when so many others are having trouble putting food on the table. In normal years we are most thankful for each other. But things are getting a little to primitive to be comfortable in that alone.