original or repo sling help

[HoosierNative]

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[browningautorifle]

I think the right one is repro and the others are correct.

[painter777]

The C tip is real. The D tip on the far right is a New Repro- You can see the Brass hook inside that catches the Finial has no tarnish and the Weave screams Repro.

Interesting to me is the Middle D tip sling with the TRW DOT Stamp. I don't recall ever seeing a TRW marked one. To me the Weave looks correct for a Post WWII /Korean War Sling.
We worked on a number of Expansions on TRW owned Plants in the 90's.

Now interested, I did some searching and found that:

Not yet called TRW started out In 1901 as Cleveland Snap Screw and was acquired by and later named Thompson Products.

After WWII In 1950, Simon Ramo and Dean Wooldridge while working for Hughes Aircraft grew frustrated with Howard Hughes' management, and formed the Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation in September 1953, with the financial support of Thompson Products.

Ramo-Wooldridge Corp. became the lead contractor of the resulting ICBM development effort, reporting to the United States Air Force.

Thompson Products and Ramo-Wooldridge merged in October 1958 to form Thompson Ramo Wooldridge Inc., unofficially known as "TRW".

Thompson Ramo Wooldridge officially became TRW Inc. in July 1965.

TRW acquired Boston based United Carr in the late 60's.

In 1991, Scovill acquired the DOT line of industrial fasteners from Cambridge, Massachusetts-based TRW, Inc.

Scovill followed in 1996 and acquired RAU Fasteners, makers of Klikit brand snaps.

Note: That Scovill dates back to 1802, making their mark selling Brass buttons and snaps for the War of 1812 and every War afterward.

The don't think the marking TRW would have appeared until the Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation formed with the financial support of Thompson Products.
At that time unofficially known as "TRW"... in 1953

I believe the Sling is real, late Korean War or Post Korea.

Has anyone else seen a Snap marked TRW with the DOT ?
Was it on a C tip or D tip Sling?


I believe I have a dozen or so D tips, I'll dig them out and look.
I'll report back if I have one in this Post.

FWIW

[browningautorifle]

The D tip on the far right is a New Repro- You can see the Brass hook inside that catches the Finial has no tarnish and the Weave screams Repro.

I was working from the weave aspect myself.

[USGI]

Painter, I remember TP and TRW parts from my days as an Auto Mechanic. I've still got one of the original forged pistons from that '63 427 I put in the '57 2dr. I'll look at it tomorrow to see if it's stamped TP or TRW. It should fit along with the information you posted above. I'm anxious to see if it matches, but it's too late to check it tonight! - Bob

[lboos]

painter777 is the man to ask on anything to do with original slings.

[HoosierNative]

Thanks all for sharing your expertise, much appreciated

[USGI]

Has anyone else seen a Snap marked TRW with the DOT ?
Was it on a C tip or D tip Sling?

Charlie, I saw one for the first time just within the last week, or so. Believe it was a D tip and may have been on eBay or GB. I'll check if it's in one of my "watch lists." I keep wondering if it may have been the same one pictured above?

That '63 Ford 427 piston has a TP logo on it - that "checks out" with your information in Post #3. - Bob

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[painter777]

As stated the Time line for TRW marked fasteners would have had to of been after 1965 When they adopted the name TRW.
Probably for a TRW marked DOT Fastener or snap most likely after TRW's take over in 1969 of United-Carr Fastener.

I've found mention of use of TRW fasteners in both their Aero Space Division and TRW's Automotive Group Fastener Division. To include on Space suits.

With that said I've found links, but with poor pictures of a Vietnam era .45 mag pouch with the Snaps Male marked DOT and the Female marked TRW. Also a Vietnam era canteen cover with snap marked the same. Mentions of canvas covers for trucks, boats and even artillery using these fasteners.

I did find this picture on Ebay with a loose Fastener being offered with the same markings as the one above.

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I still believe the middle sling to be original, but believe the TRW Snap has to be a replacement.
I would think by the time line that TRW had these available from ~1969 until they were bought out by in 1991 when Scovill acquired the DOT line of industrial fasteners from Cambridge, Massachusetts-based TRW, Inc.

Here a Desert Storm Pouch ? Inside marked "checked Dec 15 1990". Snaps marked TRW DOT:




Might be of interest to look over Web gear from 69 - 91+ to see if any more TRW Dot fasteners or snaps are noticed.

A side note: TRW acquired United-Carr Fastener in 1969 only after a merger between United Carr and USMC fell thru in the early 60's. USMC was The United Shoe Machinery Corporation. USMC was the logo they put on tools, machinery, etc
Does that company name ring a bell ?

Example on a Wrench:



Fellow member W5USMC posted this picture of 1 of his .45 pouches:

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I keep 3 in my truck and just brought them in.
I can't make out the ink markings on the backs but know when I bought them that they were all Vietnam era ($ cheaper).

All are marked just like his. On the front the Dot is raised up, not pressed down and inward.

Positioned like so:

--------LIFT-----
---THE------DOT
---------o------
The 'o' is raised upward

All of mine have the same bright blueish color.

So keep an eye out for any Web gear... 69 ish to 91+ for these TRW LTD or Snaps.

Here a little more on the start up of Ramo-Wooldridge. IMO they were really pioneers and we were fortunate they were on the Good Side

Simon Ramo and TRW | South Bay History

FWIW,
Charlie-P777

[Bruce McAskill]

Can one say Underwood with United Shoe? Jimb is another good spotter of slings and weaves. I'm feeling a lot better today after a real good nights sleep.