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The rifle can't be scrubbed without any trace and NOT be refinished, so if the consensus is this is an arsenal refurb then it never had one hence the scrubbed theory is out the window.
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02-23-2014 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
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The rifle can't be scrubbed without any trace and NOT be refinished, so if the consensus is this is an arsenal refurb then it never had one hence the scrubbed theory is out the window.
Can you elaborate because I'm not sure I understood your reply. Are there any known examples that did not have the normal receiver markings? I'm no expert, but I don't see how they could have scrubbed stampings without leaving some evidence. The receiver contours are perfect, at least to my eye. It seems that if the metal has been ground away, it would be fairly easy to spot, but I don't see it. One thing it does have have is some mild pitting below the 'woodline', which I understood to be fairly common as a result of long term storage.
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Mine is marked with the old style date and "S" on the barrel, the receiver is marked Budapest and M95. Serial number on the receiver. Short rear sight fully marked to the top. No banded front sight. I don't think that belongs on the rifle but not positive. There is no examples of it in "Mannlicher Military Rifles" by Scarlata.
Scrubbed would have been done at the arsenal refurbishment and would depend on how bad the rifle was pitted, etc. Yours shows evidence of pitting which may be why some of the marks are missing. They try to restore the rifles to like new condition for either long term storage or for sale to another party and a lot of these were rebuilt after WWI and WWII. The electropencil mark is most likely Bulgarian in origin.
Last edited by Aragorn243; 02-23-2014 at 11:30 PM.
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I'm talking about the import mark,,, nothing else,,,Because I don't know jack about M95 markings. Only two possibilities, it never had one or it was removed here and the rifle refinished here.
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It is an ex Austrian custom (border) police rifle according to the marking on the butt plate ZW stands for "ZOLLWACHE". Austrian Gendarmerie and custom (border) police carried M95 until early 1970´s afterwards M1
Carbines. All M95 in Austrian service were FTR´d in the 1950´s and 60´s and most of them were put in reserve.
Is there a manufacturing marking on top or side of the reciever? Budapest or Steyr?
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Originally Posted by
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It is an ex Austrian custom (border) police rifle according to the marking on the butt plate ZW stands for "ZOLLWACHE". Austrian Gendarmerie and custom (border) police carried M95 until early 1970´s afterwards
M1
Carbines. All M95 in Austrian service were FTR´d in the 1950´s and 60´s and most of them were put in reserve.
Is there a manufacturing marking on top or side of the reciever? Budapest or Steyr?
Thanks.
It does not say Steyr or Budapest atop the receiver, or anywhere else. The top of the receiver has no markings at all.
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I have a similar situation with my rifle. There are no barrel Mark's but a +05 under the sight on bottom of barrel. 2 sets of swivels. Stacking rod (got one for christmas to plug the hole. Bolt is stamped on ball. Barrel 20"
Cant figure it out for a month of research. Have dummy 8x56 to determine chamber size. Any help please all it says on top of receiver is STERY M95
Last edited by Jay2020; 12-26-2020 at 07:05 AM.
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Well I am embarrassed to say what happened last night. I decided to take my 8x56 dummy rounds and put them in a strip and try to load them. Well they loaded just fine. I guess taking one round and shoving it in there is not the way to do it. Now I know that I have a converted corbine in 8x56 with the stamps ground off.sorry if I wasted anyone's time but until then I had no idea. Thanks
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Around 2001 to 2004, Sog and Aim got a ton of M95 carbines. There was also a ton of Nazi marked 8x56R ammo. The first carbines had original finish stocks & metal, but all were 8x56R, some with and without and import marks on the barrel. Later, some came with an Arsenal refinished stock like yours or an original finish stock, but the metal action was in a re-blue with mixed parts. Later ones, toward the end of the run, had scrubbed receivers and an Arsenal refinished stock and metal. Some were cut down rifles, others original carbines. Those M95s were a new odd surplus rifle back around 2000. The better ones were the early 1960s long rifles one would find in the junk barrels at sporting stores (Hunters INC )- none had import marks. Sog & Aim were know for fast applied import mark: some light, some partial, some missed.
I got rid of my M95 carbines. But here is link to some rifles I got back in the late 1960s:
4 different M95 long rifles - Surplus Rifle Forum - www.surplusrifleforum.org
here is a link to some SRF references
Steyr M95 Reference Sites - Surplus Rifle Forum - www.surplusrifleforum.org
So you got a later Arsenal rebuilt rifle with a scrubbed crest ???? The stock is an Arsenal rebuild not a recent job.The real late carbines like yours have a import mark on the left side of the receiver that looks nasty. Those M95 carbines are brutal to fire. Most imports are in the easy to find 8x 56R as indicated by the S on your rifle. If on blood thinners, it kicks so bad that your shoulder will bruise if an old timer
The long rifles are easier to fire with that robust cartridge.
In 200/2001 they dumped so many on the surplus market it was a firearm of the month see
Historic Firearm of the Month, September 2001
You must use the enblock clip or you risk cracking the extractor, see the reference links for bolt tricks and the dime trick. Being arsenal redone you should have a new bolt spring, the older ones had weak striker springs that did not aways fire off the older ammo.
Rifle dates are on the barrel with the S stamped over the markings . On some later rebuilds these were remover and all you see is an S or H and the date is gone. See the references or my post showing my long rifles.
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Reason: spell and auto correct error
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Not sure about posting photos on this forum here is a try. An Sog original stock and and Sog refinished dog. Also a photo of crest and date location. Both are imports from 2002/2003 period. Attachment 113603Attachment 113604
The pics came out very small?? Got rid of these carbines about 8 years ago and kept the long rifles. Your unit marked butt plate is a plus. I still have an 8x50r WW I bring back carbine with an original sling. But I only have about 60 rounds of original 8x50r left. Really too nice to fire. All matching marks and also a unit marked butt plate with original sling.
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