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Regarding the carbine at 300: First the target is big. This guy is doing what I would describe as "Poke and hope" shooting. After a few rounds you finally start hitting and then it becomes repeating the same sight picture, with a target that large, it wasn't really a test. I do my shooting with an SR-1 target center at 100 yards. The SR-1 has an X ring that is 1 1/2" across, a 10 ring that is 3 1/2" and a 9 ring that is 6 1/2" This is "the Black" of the target, the 8 ring is about 9 1/2" S the black and 8 ring is about the size of a small paper plate. At 300 yards you probably wouldn't see the target.
My best shooting carbine is the one with the most wear, it is a NPM with an IBM Corp. barrel. The stock is a beat up I cut inland. Using handloads, it can hold the 10 ring with an occasional flyer into the 9. My others are originals one is almost new and both are very low round weapons. Neither shoot as well as the NPM. Accuracy tests are done this way, not hitting a road sign through a bunch of trees. The 300 yard test is a demonstration of how effective the carbine is as a tool of war. If you are standing still and have a rest, and the enemy is standing still, he's going to be hit.
By comparison, my good DCM M1
which is a SA rebuild with new 11/65 barrel and glass bedded new walnut (when I had good eyes and a proper range) Using handloads with 4064 and Sierra Internationals would put 5 shots dead center the size of a US Quarter at 100 yards.
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Originally Posted by
DaveHH
This guy is doing what I would describe as "Poke and hope" shooting. After a few rounds you finally start hitting and then it becomes repeating the same sight picture
Exactly, I had to smile when you said this. Many years ago when I was stationed at Lejeune I would go to a local range a couple times a week, I would always be there early when I had the range to myself, on the pistol side they had a steel plate out at 50 yards, I would practice hitting it with a glock 27, after poking and hoping my way to the target I could ding it every time. As the range would fill up with shooters I would pull out that little glock and start hitting that plate, everyone always thought that I was a really great pistol shooter, which is pretty far from the case, I just knew where to hold it on that steel.
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Originally Posted by
DaveHH
Regarding the carbine at 300: First the target is big. This guy is doing what I would describe as "Poke and hope" shooting. After a few rounds you finally start hitting and then it becomes repeating the same sight picture, with a target that large, it wasn't really a test. I do my shooting with an SR-1 target center at 100 yards. The SR-1 has an X ring that is 1 1/2" across, a 10 ring that is 3 1/2" and a 9 ring that is 6 1/2" This is "the Black" of the target, the 8 ring is about 9 1/2" S the black and 8 ring is about the size of a small paper plate. At 300 yards you probably wouldn't see the target.
My best shooting carbine is the one with the most wear, it is a NPM with an IBM Corp. barrel. The stock is a beat up I cut inland. Using handloads, it can hold the 10 ring with an occasional flyer into the 9. My others are originals one is almost new and both are very low round weapons. Neither shoot as well as the NPM. Accuracy tests are done this way, not hitting a road sign through a bunch of trees. The 300 yard test is a demonstration of how effective the carbine is as a tool of war. If you are standing still and have a rest, and the enemy is standing still, he's going to be hit.
By comparison, my good DCM
M1
which is a SA rebuild with new 11/65 barrel and glass bedded new walnut (when I had good eyes and a proper range) Using handloads with 4064 and Sierra Internationals would put 5 shots dead center the size of a US Quarter at 100 yards.
Hey Dave,
Good point, you are right, most say that I´m just an old gun enthusiastic, I may not hit even at 50 yards lol.
Eddie 
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Originally Posted by
W5USMC
Exactly, I had to smile when you said this. Many years ago when I was stationed at Lejeune I would go to a local range a couple times a week, I would always be there early when I had the range to myself, on the pistol side they had a steel plate out at 50 yards, I would practice hitting it with a glock 27, after poking and hoping my way to the target I could ding it every time. As the range would fill up with shooters I would pull out that little glock and start hitting that plate, everyone always thought that I was a really great pistol shooter, which is pretty far from the case, I just knew where to hold it on that steel.
Lol Wayne
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I guarantee you can hit at 50 yds. I can't. Soy Viejo, Soy Debile, tengo las rodilas malas, soy pobre........
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I guarantee you can hit at 50 yds. I can't. Soy Viejo, Soy Debile, tengo las rodilas malas, soy pobre........
Cmon compadre.
In my country, we say "old chicken makes good soup"
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