K98 Bolt disassembly ring confusion

[dayichi]

Hi, I just brought this K98( all numbers matching) from a private seller. However, it doesn't have Bolt disassembly ring. As I am researching, the late year production did not come with Bolt disassembly ring, but the year of this made was 1938.

My question is did i get a fake one? though, the all markings are looking pretty real.

Thanks,

Michael

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[GeeRam]

Yep, not the original stock, that's a very late war or a post war stock.
Sight hood as well, but could have been modified during service for the later sight hood to be fitted.

Gonna need many more photo's of all the markings to see if its a genuine matching numbers that has been fitted with a different stock, or a complete fake numbered rifle.

[dayichi]

here you go. I wonder why they put 1938 on it? just by looking, this 1938 mark looks so real. what kind of tool did they use to put it on? or it is from original factory ?

[dayichi]

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[Singer B]

Definitely suspicious. The late-war stock on a pre-war action with a matching number on the stock doesn't make sense. Additionally, the electro-penciled "54" on the safety flip switch doesn't look correct. The gun looks to be in beautiful condition which indicates to me someone refurbished it.

[dayichi]

Thank you.

what is the fair value on this gun?

[Eaglelord17]

Just a point as well as I am not a Mauser expert, it maybe all matching just all matching for a post war nation (such as East Germany, etc.) where they may have refurbished it with a late war stock/post war stock. It most definitely isn't factory matching though, which is a very rare state to find. Sorry I can't be much more assistance, I tend to avoid things like K98ks as there is so much to know and so much to fake.

[Singer B]

I concur with Eaglelord, but I too am not an expert on Mausers (but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn once). Give your post a couple of more days and the true Mauser experts will check in and give you better advice.

[Wthenley]

I would have to say the 1938 mark is original to the rifle. The thing that doesn't match in my mind is the stock...as was stated the receiver and wood are from two different time periods, or so it seems. The safety is marked similar to a RC rifle which i have never seen on a non RC gun. Its been a while since I dug deep into the German mausers so Im a little rusty on the details myself. It reminds me of a Mitchell's. I would say the stock is 1944 or later having no takedown disc.

[GeeRam]

I would have to say the 1938 mark is original to the rifle. The thing that doesn't match in my mind is the stock...as was stated the receiver and wood are from two different time periods, or so it seems. The safety is marked similar to a RC rifle which i have never seen on a non RC gun. Its been a while since I dug deep into the German mausers so Im a little rusty on the details myself. It reminds me of a Mitchell's. I would say the stock is 1944 or later having no takedown disc.

The Erma factor code S/27, 1938 and the serial number on left side of receiver are original, but, I would say everything else has probably been forced matched to that number. The numbers on the bolt look forced matched, and don't look like the numbers on an original 1938 Erma rifle bolt.
Without seeing the all other numbered parts (need more photos of all the other numbered parts) its still not easy to be precise, but it loos like a forced match bubba job I'm afraid, and as said, the stock is not original to a '38 dated Erma rifle, being a 1945 onwards stock. Can't see from the photos if the barrel is original or not.

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Just a point as well as I am not a Mauser expert, it maybe all matching just all matching for a post war nation (such as East Germany, etc.) where they may have refurbished it with a late war stock/post war stock.

Yes, it could be something like that, there should be stamps to indicate that, but it would need much better photos, and one of the K98k experts to identify if its a post war Czech, East German etc rebuild rifle, but I have no knowledge at all of this post war rebuild stuff.