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Originally Posted by
Ovidio
Do you hear anything like this over there, where you are?
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06-26-2021 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ovidio
Today, I helped at the vaccination centre from 7:15 to 13:15. A friend of mine covered me until 14:00, because I had to go do the RO at our small arms range. With the heat we have right now, I am ending the day on a fairly low note, though I liked every moment of it.
Almost every moment…
Talking to my wife, I came to know a few things I had been feeling, but not really realising.
What did this frigging pandemics do to teenagers?
I live in a town of 15015 people. Fairly big and scarcely populated. My “hamlet”, a portion of the town, is less than 1000 people all in.
Among the friends and/or classmates of my 15 years daughter (I’ve got another boy, 18 and another girl, 11) there are two girls who turned anorexic. One, athlete of the year in 2019 for gymnastics, is so bad, that she refuses also water and is being forcibly fed and hydrated.
The other one has been treated and is trying to get out of it, but is literally “transparent” right now. A third one, just seized and refuses to see people, to wash, to interact… We know them all. I feel so bad about them.
Lots of kids find it terribly difficult to get out of home again.
The suicides have increased a lot too, although no official stats are released.
I must admit that I’m horrendously worried now, hearing about possible new lockdowns because of that damned delta variant.
Does it make any sense to kill the new, emerging generation to save older people, among whom I include myself?
I don’t think so.
I don’t want to accept any further lockdown for my kids…
Am I ready to fight for it?
Maybe… I am starting to think about it…
I never felt so…uncertain. So much like standing on unstable ground…
Do you hear anything like this over there, where you are?
Things like this could have been avoided by doing the opposite of what was done. E.g. only quarantine sick people, not healthy ones. Keeping everything open. Not forcing healthy people to wear a mask hiding their faces.
Asking old and vulnerable people to take care and extra precautions.
Over here there are many rumbling noises being made against government but with this covid thing perhaps only being another nail in the coffin. Many things here have been turned into a FUBAR state in the last twenty five years and people across all groups are pretty much fed up. Promises were made to the masses and not kept while the money was.
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My same opinion…
Problem is, modern western people are scared of living, because they might die as a consequence of it…
34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini
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I've pretty much said it from the start. These lockdowns never should have happened. Anecdotal stories of some young person dying here or there are frankly meaningless. People die all the time from obscure things. This is a disease that affects the elderly. The average death in the US is 78 which is also our life expectancy. Yet even the elderly have a 94% survival rate. Almost no one under the age of 60 is dying from this and under the age of 20, it's an effective rate of zero. Suicides are way up among the young, attempts are way up and this was back when it had just started. They are hiding these numbers in the US by not breaking it down by age. Oddly enough, suicides among the general population are down and this is what they are reporting. Older people for whatever reason aren't killing themselves during this in the numbers they usually do. And what really frosts me is they knew this almost from the start. Washington State where this started here had nearly all their deaths in retirement homes yet we had 5 governors order covid patients returned to their retirement homes instead of keeping them in isolation which created the massive numbers of early deaths in NY, NJ, MI and PA. CA was somehow spared the early deaths, they caught up later.
Hate to say it but it's something people need to understand. The seasonal flu is MUCH more deadly than Covid for anyone under the age of 60 and we never shut down things for the flu. They don't report the ages of those dying, they don't report it doesn't affect children, they don't report that 95% of all deaths were people that were already dying from something else. They were reporting motorcycle accident deaths as covid deaths here because they tested positive for Covid. It's ridiculous.
And yes, there are a lot of people scared of living because they believe they will die if they do. We do a lot of polling here, it's a constant aggravation but 40% of Democrats believed they would die if they got Covid and this was in November of last year, well into the pandemic when a lot was known about it. 20% of Republicans held the same belief which is still incredibly high considering this has a survival rate of 99.9%.
So today, very few are wearing masks anywhere and I know a very high percentage of anyone under 40 has not been vaccinated. The elderly are vaccinated in the high 90's now. New cases are down, deaths are way down, restrictions are gone. We essentially have acheived herd immunity yet they aren't talking about it. They are STILL pushing the vaccines and have approved them down to 12 years old now.
Boys are developing heart problems, Girls are developing fertility problems, that was predicted by one of the lead scientists at the very beginning, the boys heart issues are a new surprise however. So they are pushing an experimental vaccine on kids that are at zero risk and creating other health problems with many of them. The numbers are small but they would be zero without the vaccine.
And they keep pushing the commercials, the vaccines are fully tested, no steps were skipped, they are as safe as many prescription medications. The truth is they were never fully tested and steps were skipped. It takes about four years for a drug or vaccine to be approved and that's because they study long term effects as well as everything else. That obviously hasn't been done and it was skipped. As for being as safe as other medications, ever look at the potential side effects of aspirin or tylenol? We are the long term study. I hope that two years from now we are not suddenly afflicted by a slew of new aliments.
My wife and I were vaccinated, my oldest daughter and husband were vaccinated. My youngest daughter and husband have not been and have no intentions of doing so, they feel the risks of the vaccine are higher than the risks of Covid for them and I agree, they're in their mid twenties and planning to have kids.
Most of the elderly I know and spoke to including my own parents weren't worried about it at all. They also didn't want the younger generation to be crippled by something that didn't affect them and were willing to sacrifice themselves for them. But I live in a fairly rural type area, most of my friends and family are from the same areas. Rural areas are quite different than urban areas in almost everything. That's where the greatest fear has been cultivated and maintained.
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I have found that same city vs rural situation.
And at the moment here in SA it is our flu season. Here and there people have been asking questions about people that have gone for the shot, afterwards contracting covid, and then dying. Nothing official but people have noticed and asked. Now for the question. How clever is it to get a shot that will lower your immunity for a couple of weeks in the middle of flu season while people around you are sick.
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I will always remember my son saying, who is an Army Medic with lots of experience fighting Ebola in Sierra Leonne, when Astra Zenica were blamed for all the blood clots following the first injections which were 1 in 20 million at the time. He said Dad we had 8,000 blood clots in England
alone every month long before the pandemic came.
If people just took the time to see the risks associated with what they used to take on a daily basis before the pandemic such as Aspirin or Hay Fever tablets and the risks associated with those giving blood clots, they wouldnt be so quick to criticise!!!
Has to be political.....as I don;t seem to see anyone giving the blood clot stats for Moderna or Phzeiser and the deaths they might have caused 
The deaths of young educated teens is worrying, and on one hand I'm thinking this is just a flu virus, but then you look at India and other places that have been hit so so hard and lost millions. They will never really know the exact deaths because as soon as they die, they are buried or burnt, where the rules are totally different to us in the west with Coroners courts etc.
Sad times indeed and lets hope we all recover to a Status Quo level of life. Most of us have had a good life, these kids deserve so much more, just can't keep wondering what we can do for them!!
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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I fear that what we’ll do for them is to close them in again…
Kill’em to protect ‘em. Weirdest thing ever.
If something like a new lock down should happen, I’ll keep breaking the rules as I did since May last year. I won’t let my kids be isolated. Not the same as being free, but still some social life.
Last edited by Ovidio; 06-27-2021 at 03:23 PM.
Reason: Typo
34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini
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Our states mask mandate ended at midnight last night. At the same the the WHO wants everyone to mask up again due to the Indian variant. While there are some threats of shutting down again, I don't think people will accept it this time around.
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For some reason we, the Brits, are being blamed for the Indian Variant circulating.
The answer is in the name, it came from India Angela Merkel.............its no good asking ALL European countries to ban ALL Brits, we all have travels in and out of India!!!
Yet another "We'll get you back for pulling out of the European Union" Its NEVER been a Union.
The richest countries keep the poorest going!!
No Politics intended, so don't start any
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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I wonder if science can grasp that this is nature, and you can't control nature. Once they open their hands and let go, let it run course, it'll be done. In nature the weak and old die. Science will keep this thing running for years.
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