What the the chances this is DCM

[DaveHH]

Years ago Marty contacted me and wanted some info about my 5.6 Win which was thought to be an original gun. He had a Winchester that was very close to mine in number and was curious about some marks on his new one. It was around 150 or so close to mine, had a flip sight (Mine had a type 3) and some scratches, rather crunch marks like the receiver had been in a vise. Mine didn't have any but otherwise it was a good example of how different these guns can be. If I recall, the marks looked somewhat similar to what is here except smaller. Of course there was no chance that Marty's carbine was anything but an original weapon. A very nice carbine it was.

My DCM M1 (1983) came out of Rock Island and was ( This is what we heard at the gun club) one of a small group of very carefully rebuilt rifles that were destined for some foreign sale. The sale apparently didn't go through and these silver sack weapons went on the RI racks. The silver sack was opened to get the # They were apparently done in Dec of 65 by some people who really took care. The stock was new walnut and it weighs about a full pound more than a regular one. Heavy dense walnut. Glass bedded at the trigger housing, new wood forward, new barrel 11/65, new gas cylinder, SA 3.3 receiver, milled trigger guard, bolt was not new, new HRA op rod, new late bullet guide etc. It came with new cleaning kid, sling, and delron guards on sight and muzzle. It was unfired and took ten men and a small horse to snap the trigger guard. The gas cylinder had to be removed with a block of wood and hammer. Nobody else in our club got one of these. Most of theirs came from Texas and were NG guns with the standard wowee on the stock where they were tossed into the jeep trailer. The club received everything from NM rifles to beat up junkers, it was just what was the next one on the rack.

[painter777]

I just can't picture how it could be positioned in a Vice that would leave this area finish worn.
Clamped on the sides, I can understand, but from this spot, the other jaw would be on the front (top) receiver ring.

No big deal, was - am just curious.

Good Weekend All

[eb in oregon]

See it has a new owner.
Anyone look at pictures #69, #70 and #71?
I was just looking at the finish wear under the front/bottom of the Receiver.
And wondering how it got so much finish loss there.
Does it look like it's had a Receiver Wrench on it ?
Curious to others thoughts....

Here's Pic #70

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...65017490-1.jpg

There is no way a single use of a receiver wrench (or even several uses) could cause that much finish wear, even if it was only painted.

[painter777]

Hi Eb,
Any thoughts from that particular wear pattern ?

@ Dave HH,
I didn't give the bottom of a vice a thought. Was just thinking about the 2 sides.
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I just thought it appeared to be unusual wear in a area you don't commonly see it.

Safe Sunday All,

[DaveHH]

No big deal, was - am just curious.

I'm not saying it is legit, but you just never know. I can imagine that when some company is under the gun to produce 1,000 a day and there is a receiver sitting there not being finished, some foreman comes up and says "Charlie, get that thing out of here!" and the guy does what it takes to make it work and out the door. Like when Rock-Ola had all of those parts and barrels that were slightly out of spec but would work and the barrels were bent and SA sends over a crew of guys and in a few days they eyeball the barrels and using arbor presses and lead hammers makes hundreds of good parts out of scrap. Charlie, I'm sure you've seen enough carbines that look like a blind man built them, not indexed correctly, sights crooked nothing lines up but they passed and will kill a man at 75 yds so they were issued. In WB there is a part where Inland went to ordnance and essentially admitted that a lot of barrels are just so-so but will still get the job done and the Army said go ahead and use them.

One more thing that I forgot to mention: Winchester assembled after finishing the parts, so yes it has had a receiver wrench on it. It may be just me but that finish looks really dark, more like an Inland finish than a Winchester.

[deldriver]

WRA was hardly known for their aesthetically pleasing fit and finish, but the possibilities with 6 plus million made are all over the map.

[jond41403]

I'm not sure if it's anything or not but did anyone notice in picture number 39 on top of the receiver ring, there is a straight line marking that looks like something dug in on the top, maybe whatever left the wear pattern on the underside? The few pictures of receiver rings I have sifted through do not have this Mark.

[tenOC]

Some guys will kiss anything. Nuf said about that.

[USGI]

I'm not sure if it's anything or not but did anyone notice in picture number 39 on top of the receiver ring?

Yep! "I guess I'm getting picky, but saw more than just the safety that raised some questions." - Bob

[painter777]

I've seen home made receiver wrenches used, heard of guys using large crescent wrenches, stillsons and even pipe wrenches.
A now deceased friend had 2 receivers that he had crushed while trying to R and R.
Guess anything is possible as to this finish wear.

As stated, Was just curious to other's thoughts.
Wishing now I never brought it up.

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