What if the US had adoped the Enfield?

[Edward Horton]

History lesson: In 1895, Lord Salisbury, the British PM was within hours of asking the Queen for a Declaration of War against the United States....seems he felt "slighted" by President Cleveland and the US Congress endorsing the acceptance of a disputed border between Venezuela and British Guiana that "annoyed" him (the dispute wasn't completely settled until 1899, and relations with Britain were strained the entire time). Cooler heads may have kept Lord Salisbury from going to war with the US....but it was a VERY close-run affair. We may not have been shooting at each other since 1814....but it wasn't all sweetness and light either. It is this incident that prompted Teddy Roosevelt to insist on the US rebuilding the Navy so we could "carry a big stick" the next time the Brits decided we were being "cheeky"!

Simply because I can't agree that the Enfield is God's gift to the shooting world doesn't mean I fail to enjoy them....I simply choose to collect them and shoot something else (it just is not a rifleman's tool)!

FWIW, I have NEVER posted a picture on this or any other forum, and my people were Scots, not Irish.

And John Sukey had the nerve to tell ME I carried a grudge

The only people I’m still even a little angry at are those Australians around the Perth area who kicked the crap out of Quigley and then cheated us out of the Americas Cup too.

[Amatikulu]

One of the benefits of a discussion forum is that we get to listen to, and state our points of view respectfully on the topic.

It's perfectly OK to not agree with each other, as after all, we come from differing backgrounds with differing experiences, giving us different biases.

The secret is to not take offense and retaliate to a perceived adversary. You need to recognize when you've reached the point where you have put your view point forward in as complete a manner as you can. Once that point has been reached, you have done your best and it's time to end your input to the thread and move on to a new thread where the topic of discussion can give you a sense of satisfaction.

[Paul S.]

FWIW....my Dad's family got the hell out of "The Old Country" in 1685, settling in Burkes County PA....

Can you show me where 'Burkes County PA is? I can find 'BUCKS' and 'BERKS' Counties on the Pennsylvania map, but alas, not 'BURKES' County.

I don't mean to sound nasty or sarcastic, but since you speak proudly of your ancestry I find this a curious point. I can truly understand how confusing details may be. Having been adopted, I've lived with having had two sets of family histories (and names as well), but at least I know where the family I thought was mine and the family that was mine were from.

[John Kepler]

I don't mean to sound nasty or sarcastic,

Sure you do....why else would you post this! Don't sweat it....nasty sarcasm doesn't bother me in the least!

Without putting too fine a point on it...all this proves is that I'm a better historian/researcher than you are. "Bucks County" in PA stared out in 1682 as "Burkes" (or sometimes, Burks) County (the etymology aside, it was almost certainly pronounced "bucks" from the git-go...literacy was a hit or miss proposition in the early Colonies)....probably as either a "typo" or an "Olde English" affectation, but that is how it's spelled in the oldest records, particularly the 1690 PA Colony census, as well as in the Family Bible. "Bucks County" in that spelling starts appearing around 1700, probably to end the confusion between it and rapidly growing Berks County to the northwest.

[Bindi2]

And John Sukey had the nerve to tell ME I carried a grudge

The only people I’m still even a little angry at are those Australians around the Perth area who kicked the crap out of Quigley and then cheated us out of the Americas Cup too.

D C just got out generaled and Quigley well does he like Lee Enfields

[John Kepler]

and Quigley well does he like Lee Enfields

The Proles carried Martini's....Quigley had a "Big-Bore Sharps", so the answer is no!

[Edward Horton]

Sure you do....why else would you post this! Don't sweat it....nasty sarcasm doesn't bother me in the least!

Without putting too fine a point on it...all this proves is that I'm a better historian/researcher than you are. "Bucks County" in PA stared out in 1682 as "Burkes" (or sometimes, Burks) County (the etymology aside, it was almost certainly pronounced "bucks" from the git-go...literacy was a hit or miss proposition in the early Colonies)....probably as either a "typo" or an "Olde English" affectation, but that is how it's spelled in the oldest records, particularly the 1690 PA Colony census, as well as in the Family Bible. "Bucks County" in that spelling starts appearing around 1700, probably to end the confusion between it and rapidly growing Berks County to the northwest.

Sorry BUT I live in Pennsyltucky and your history research leaves much to be desired to put it mildly, and you are WRONG

Bucks County

Founded in 1682 by William Penn, Bucks County has had a long and distinguished history. Penn named the county after Buckinghamshire, the Penn family home in England.

Buckinghamshire, England Lee Enfield country

[John Kepler]

Sorry BUT I live in Pennsyltucky and your history research leaves much to be desired to put it mildly, and you are WRONG

Bucks County

Founded in 1682 by William Penn, Bucks County has had a long and distinguished history. [B][U]Penn named the county after Buckinghamshire, the Penn family home in England.

Right out of Wikipedia! Check an original text copy of the 1690 census....any decent library in "Pennsyltucky" should have one!

[Amatikulu]

I was hoping my earlier post would have brought any further discussion back on topic, but it was not to be.
I'll be more direct in future

The last dozen or so posts have been off the original poster's topic of "What if the US had adopted the Enfield?"

I see no hope of it returning to that topic.

Thread is closed.