Beretta 308 M-1 Garand

[big bear]

Does anyone KNOW whether the operating for these is same or shorter than a standard 30'06 operating rod? Thanks.

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[Victor Six Bravo]

I don't know offhand. Up till five months ago I was stationed in Italy and I knew an old Italian warrant officer who would know......but I don't have his email address.

[Garandy]

If you are referring to the version that uses a shortened .30-'06 barrel then yes, I believe the operating rod is shorter. So is the stock and I believe the rear handguard as well.

I think Sarco had some of the short operating rods at one point.

[bearhunter]

That's good to know Garandy. I was under the impression that the Italian rifles were built on Winchester equipment and that all parts were virtually interchangable. I was also under the impression that many US parts were used in the initial assembly of the Italian Garands. Many of the Danish imports that I've seen are total mixmasters of US, Italian and VAR parts. It does make good sense that the shortened models and maybe even the BM59s might be different.

[big bear]

So if barrel is same length as 30'06, ie, if I set 308 garand next to 30'06 garand and they are same length, op rods should be same length? This is a Berreta 308 Garand, via denmark to Switzerland (or Germany)I think then to Canada.

[Garandy]

Yes, two rifles with a full length barrels should have the same length op-rods. Shorter barrel, shorter op-rod.

I have seen one short Italian op-rod and it was stamped 7.62 on the handle.

I don't know much about the Italian production of the M1 so I have no idea if they made M1's with full length barrels in .308 or if they were all shortened .30-'06 barrels.

Why not ask on the CSP M1 forum here? Lots of great info there.

[Maple_Leaf_Eh]

.... This is a Berreta 308 Garand, via Denmark to Switzerland (or Germany) I think then to Canada.

How do you figure this provenance? The standard story of the Danish rifles has them pitching up in Vancouver when Alan Lever bought a container (or more) of Danish war reserves. The intermediary steps are not well-recorded on the interweb.

Now, a converted Italian contracted Danish rifle would be marked FKF with a crown and a PB s/n, regardless of the barrel markings.

[big bear]

These are more recent imports(last 6months) less than 20 rifles total I believe. Imported to shop in Calgary. Ahh, the good ol days of Lever's Toys for big boys. wish I hadn't been a student back then, I would have bought 2 or 3 of alot of the wonders he brought in.

[Maple_Leaf_Eh]

These are more recent imports(last 6months) less than 20 rifles total I believe. Imported to shop in Calgary. Ahh, the good ol days of Lever's Toys for big boys. wish I hadn't been a student back then, I would have bought 2 or 3 of alot of the wonders he brought in.

Ah ha! This was discussed on the Canadian Gun Nutz forum. The receivers are Danish and the barrels are new. I saved the German pricelist .pdf on 30 Mar 09.
"GARAND - SELBSTLADEBÜCHSE Kaliber .308 Win.

[Maple_Leaf_Eh]

"GARAND - SELBSTLADEBÜCHSE Kaliber .308 Win.
􀂠 Neuwertigen und ungeschossenen Arsenal- Zustand
􀂠 Neue Läufe im Kaliber .308 Winchester
VK
Garand Selbstladebüchse inkl. MwSt.
Garand, Selbstladebüchse. Inkl. 8- Schuss-Ladeclip und Webriemen. Kal..308 Win. 990 €"

CRAP editing function on this board. I couldn't add a few lines after sending my post.