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01-24-2025 05:57 PM
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M1903 Opinions
I'm going to break this down into several smaller posts to make it a little more bite-size.
This M1903 new to me, what follows are my findings and a couple of questions for the hive mind here.
My goal was to get something that was faithful to the M1903 handled by a relative, who was with the 6th Marines in France
and wounded at - or right before, Belleau Wood.
I think the rifle I have was one built for display at some point in time, as the serial number places it in the range of the weak receivers, and the barrel is junk.
Based on the serial number, this M1903 was originally built in 1917. Build stamp on the stock looks like it could be "D.A.L" but it was mostly obliterated by the rack stamp. The DAL stamp (assuming that is correct) places the stock between 1917 and 1918 according to Brophy (Pg 558). So, most of this firearm was, it appears, of the correct age and type to be WWI used in some fashion. Which is what I wanted for my collection. I wasn’t looking for a shooter. It appears that the rack stamp was put on after the original build but before the arsenal rebuild. Perhaps an original Navy issue?
It was possibly sent back to Springfield armory for a rebuild sometime between1936-40. This is shown by the later "SA over SPG" stamp. But with a 1918 barrel(?!). Sometime after that it seemed to make its way into private hands.
Upon disassembly, when I pulled off the handguard, the barrel still had a coating of cosmoline
, leaving the exterior in perfect condition. And in pulling the butt stock, out fell a pristine nickel plated oiler, with the cleaning brush and a full oil reservoir.
So, I have gone through this firearm piece by piece, and been trying to do the research to understand its history, at least as well as I can. I offer these findings to the brains here for feedback and correction.
One more thing. This gun had the dusty crud coating that you would expect from something that has been in a dry storage for many years. It was well oiled when it was put up, but it didn’t seem like it was touched in a long time. Decades would be my guess.
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Part 5 - Receiver and some conclusions
Clearly below the 800,000 cutoff. Again, not a shooter. A few markings on the bottom, a "W", a double stamped "C" that looked like a number 8 on first glance, and an unidentifiable glyph of some kind. Also possibly a dash and a dot. Need more expert opinions here.
Conclusions:
The firearm looks like an arsenal rebuild sometime in the late 1930s. It looks like after it went through the rebuild, it was put into a cabinet somewhere and forgotten. However, an arsenal rebuild would have been done contrary to the policy of scrapping the below 800000 serial numbers. This would have started, according to Brophy p605, in April 1929. Well before the rebuild date. There is cosmoline
on the barrel, a new nickel plated oiler, and a new upper stock of a later design. New bolt parts that are dark parkerized.
One should expect a bit of a blender of parts with an arsenal rebuild. But there are some things about this one that are puzzling me. Any help appreciated.
Note that the cites from Brophy are from the 1985 edition. Interlibrary loan is a wonderful thing!
Last edited by JustMrMe; 01-24-2025 at 08:42 PM.
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The serial number indicates 1917 manufacture. Someone here will check to see if it is on the SRS list. This looks to me like it may have been a VFW type rifle. It has a lot of finish wear and bore corrosion (possible blank firing). Others will be along shortly.
Last edited by Salt Flat; 01-24-2025 at 11:00 PM.
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Should have mentioned how nice that stock is. I have a thing about those early stocks with crisp finger grooves and a dark aged finish.
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Another Data Point
Checked head space, just for fun. I only have no-go and "go" for 30-06. The no-go gauge easily allowed the bolt to close, no problem. So yeah, maybe a blank shooter for someone. It goes with the barrel condtion.
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