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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post
    . . . the die must be set up (as also noted in recent postings ) to allow for the spring-back in the press, otherwise the result can be a case with the neck too far forwards that has to be cammed into the chamber, and can be very stiff to extract.
    . . .
    Or take a look at the bolt on the Swissicon G96, 96/11 or K11, with lugs at the back. Then try and find "head separation" on the forums that cover Swiss rifles. No luck.
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    1) First fire-forming with a slightly greasy case to get the maximum forming effect. I.e. merely wipe lube off case after sizing, but do not degrease it.
    2) For all subsequent reloads, use neck-sizing with a properly adjusted press.
    3) Except for that first fire-forming, keep all loaded cases dry to avoid continual and unecessary stress on the bolt lugs.
    4) Forget SAAMI gauges, except for US-made rifles and ammo.
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    Patrick
    Patrick, it seems you've come a long way toward appreciating some parts of the issue but still have areas of misunderstanding.

    Press "spring-back" is negligible in neck sizing, simply because sizing just the neck takes very little force. Press flex is an issue when full-length sizing, especially with thick, heavy cases. The primary source of neck-sizing problems is attempting to do it with FL dies that contact the body before the neck is sized far enough. This contact often compresses the body and displaces the shoulder forward.


    Smoked cases reveal body contact when attempting to neck-size with full-length sizer dies.

    Head separations certainly occur with the Swiss 7.5 rifles and have been discussed at length on the forums dedicated to these arms. Here's an image from one such thread -



    While fire-forming with lubed cases is an effective technique for some handloaders, others object to the practice on the grounds that it delivers unnecessary stress to the bolt and receiver. Fire-forming with some kind of spacer ahead of the rim is nearly as effective in reducing initial stretch and avoids the controversy. A spacer that also serves to center the case is additionally useful, especially with fat chambers or skinny brass.

    Effective neck sizing often requires special dies, dimensioned to clear body and shoulder. It is the die position that is adjusted to give the amount of sizing desired, not the press. Most common reloading presses aren't readily adjustable in any way that affects neck sizing.

    Whether or not increased stress on the rifle resulting from regular use of lubed cases is more important than reduced stress on the cases is arguable and will vary with the relative value and strength of the rifle and of the cases.

    It seems pointless for a recreational handloader to obsess about gauges or varied specifications when the truly critical factor, the actual fit of his handloaded ammo in his individual rifle(s), can be determined and managed using no other gauge than the rifle itself and his "calibrated" fingers. Leave headspace gauges to gunsmiths fitting barrels or bolts, armorers or buyers checking numerous used rifles, or commercial reloaders producing ammo to be used in a variety of arms - and life gets much simpler.
    Last edited by Parashooter; 08-02-2009 at 02:07 PM.

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