Does this look ok ?

**ColtsForever** · 08-28-2009 10:42 PM

I'm getting a Clawson book, but it probably wouldn't matter if I had it in front of me lol.. I need some more expirence..

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=138402496

The fever for a nice 1911 has had me for a few weeks and I need some relief..

..There are so many nice 1911's out there and I have so little money..

If I buy one, I want it to be correct.. How does everything look to you guys ?
The ad says the right things? but I would like an honest opinion..

any help is appreciated..

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**Highly Recommended** · 08-28-2009 10:42 PM

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**Duane Hansen** · 08-28-2009 11:00 PM

ColtsForever.....It looks correct to me. Fubar Sir has sold many 1911A1 pistols in the past. I believe that he is honest and precise with his discriptions. If I were to say anything negative about it, it would be the condition. The phosphate parkerizing is quite thin. If you like the "been there, done that" look then this is the pistol for you.

**Duane Hansen** · 08-28-2009 11:05 PM

Another observation on the RS Colt, The mag is not correct and it looks to me like the Colt marked barrel has a large "G" in front of the lug instead of a small "G"

**ColtsForever** · 08-29-2009 01:51 AM

Duane,

Just like I said, everything sounded right but I didn't know what to look for..

I think, what I need to do is look at examples(gallery pics) of members guns here and the other good forum and see what "correct" examples looks like. Lettering, font, triggers, "G"'s.. I have seen posts where a member will say"the guns ok, except it has the trigger out of a 194X 1911. I need to recognize what a correct part looks like.. I learn quick ..
Why wife will kill me if I spend a ton of money on an incorrect 1911a1 ...That is why I'll ask for help..

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thanks for the help..

After looking at that G for awhile, I noticed the wear pattern is going sideways. 90 degrees off from the sides of the barrel. Is that normal ?
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I need to write on my hand what is correct !.I forgot that I had learned something a few days ago.. If the WB barrel has a small G Up to about 790000,From about 790000 to about 845000 either a small G or a large G was used (with more large G barrels apparently being used, especially after 800000). can I assume that the RS barrel is the same ? (thanks to Scott G. for that info)

**Johnny Peppers** · 08-29-2009 12:55 PM

That isn't a wear pattern. The milling pattern was parallel to the bore on the sides of the lug, but in front of the lug the milling is perpendicular to the bore in order to get up close to the lug.

**ColtsForever** · 08-29-2009 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers

That isn't a wear pattern. The milling pattern was parallel to the bore on the sides of the lug, but in front of the lug the milling is perpendicular to the bore in order to get up close to the lug.

Thanks for the help JP ! I'm learning a little more every day.
I am sure of one thing, I won't forget the "G" ranges again ..

**Duane Hansen** · 08-29-2009 03:16 PM

You need to go to www.coolgunsite.com and check out all the correct Colt markings. And while you are their you should order Clawson's Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Srevice Pistols. And also get one of his CDs. Both items together are around $60 total if my memory serves me.

**ColtsForever** · 08-29-2009 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Duane Hansen

You need to go to www.coolgunsite.com and check out all the correct Colt markings. And while you are their you should order Clawson's Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Srevice Pistols. And also get one of his CDs. Both items together are around $60 total if my memory serves me.

My grandaughter wanted to go for a Harley ride, so we went up and got a money order and mailed it. I ordered the Clawson guide and the CD .

Even though I'd like to have a1911a1 yesterday, I'm going try and be patient ..

thanks for the help

**Duane Hansen** · 08-29-2009 11:56 PM

Patience is definately a virtue when it comes to buying your first Pistol. Learning as much as you can from knowligible Collectors, handling and observing examples that are known to be totally correct is a must. Then you can buy with confidence when the time comes.

**Scott Gahimer** · 08-30-2009 01:04 AM

The problem with many descriptions that list "Correct" things is that they often do not bother to list all the incorrect things. There is also a difference between correct and original. While some people may be honest, I find that of little value regarding descriptions. Descriptions are either correct or incorrect regrdless of how honest a person might be. The key is to learn the pistols. I don't typically try to characterize sellers. I try to stick with the guns and the descriptions. This seller has sold some items in the past I felt were incorrecty described as correct, original, matching or original finish. He has sold some others that I thought were correctly described. I recall a barrel he had on auction that was not authentic and had bogus markings applied to it. Buying this week and selling next week, while racking up a lot of sales and feedback, is no indication of knowledge or honesty IMO. So I normally do not pay any attention to that kind of stuff. I try to know the guns well enough to spot what's wrong with them aqnd stick with that information to make my decisions to buy.

The barrel is not original or correct for the serial range. The "P" proofs do not match IMO. Matching "P" proofs are not even a requirement on Colt pistols, as the "P" proofs were applied prior to finish on Colt pistols and were not hand-stamped. The bottoms of the two "P" proofs do not appear to be identical to me in the photos. There is also a little blem in the one "P" just below the loop that does not appear in the other "P". "Matching P proofs" show identical, identifiable characteristics...like a fingerprint with little, specific markings. Look for all the unique characteristics in a "P" proof to determine if it matches another.

The slide number and and markings determine that this pistol's slide matches the frame...not the "P" proofs. "P" proofs only mean something on the pistols where they were applied after finish. Those are NOT Colt pistols in the 1st place. "P" proofs mean something on Singer, Remington Rand, US&S and Ithaca pistols. They have to match precisely on those pistols to be considered original.

Some people may not realize it, but Colonel Robert Sears (or any other Inspector of Ordnance) did not inspect and mark pistols. Civilians who worked under his authority for the Ordnance Dept did that task.

The magazine is a post-war commercial aftermarket.

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