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    I can't find any sign of it on the NRA website and I would have thought they'd put something like this up there. I thought the most likely spot would be here http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/con...ite=NRA&type=3 but nothing. Perhaps this ludicrous doctrine's already been discredited and removed. Doesn't say much about the NRA (I'm not a member) if they'd put something like this out without doing their research first. I'd certainly think twice about joining now - I thought it was an organisation dedicated to supporting shooters, not stopping them for no good reason.

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    To bump this thread - has there been any movement on this - has the legal threat transpired etc?

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    here in Australiaicon the warning was issued a fair while ago
    here is the link at our national office put out. differs in reasoning slightly from others.
    www.nraa.com.au/news/samr.pdf

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    Is that your Army number trooper? Mine was 1200xx

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    Talk of forcing the NRA to retract a safety warning sounds like a lot of balderdash, if not would someone explain the legality of such an action.
    What harm could a litigant claim has been done by warning against use of ammunition not intended for a converted WW2 era rifle?

    It may upset some carefully constructed fantasies, but thats about it.

    Both the Britishicon NRA and the Australianicon NRA agree with me. My thoughts on the subject were extremely unpopular, but the truth often is unpopular.

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    I've continued to find incidents of injury and the occasional fatality from blown out Enfield actions, these have become uncommon in recent decades because people took such safety warnings to heart, and responsible ammunition manufacturers voluntarily re called .303 ammunition in the 1960's not because of any defect that would have affected its use in a rifle in good condition, but because Enfield bores damaged by Cordite erosion required much sturdier bullet jackets than rifles not subjected to high levels of thermal erosion coupled with corrosive primers.
    The oversized bores so common to wartime production enfields greatly increased those problems.
    Contary to popular belief some Enfield blow outs involved breaking away of parts of the rear receiver wall.

    Also on the NRA site on the Enfield drill rifles its stated that no accidents involving trying to fire blanks or live rounds in the drill rifles are known.
    http://www.rifleman.org.uk/L59A1_and_A2_DP_Rifles.htm

    So I'm begining to believe that the Picatinny Arsenal Warning sent to the US NRA was right on time.

    Hopefully rifles with badly eroded bores will have been broken down for parts by now, but rifles being sold off from estates and other sources these days may have never been properly inspected, especially those from stores of Third World users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Is that your Army number trooper? Mine was 1200xx
    yeah certainly was Peter
    west aussie number after the mil districts
    first stint with 3RAR the armys parachute battalion.
    second stint was 2CAV taking me overseas
    cheers
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    Last weekend I was talking to one who was a volunteer range officer at the Bisley Meeting [matches], who said he had been told to keep a lookout for anyone in the Meeting trying to shoot a L-E conversion with the issue ammo and remove them from the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk VII View Post
    Last weekend I was talking to one who was a volunteer range officer at the Bisley Meeting [matches], who said he had been told to keep a lookout for anyone in the Meeting trying to shoot a L-E conversion with the issue ammo and remove them from the line.
    Interesting!
    I wonder if this was the same meeting that we both competed in; I did do a stint as RO in the afternoon but didn't recieve any instuctions regarding the above, in fact I was shooting home loads with a 150 Grn Sierra Match King and did wonder if the debate was going to be raised by anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangely Brown View Post
    Interesting!
    I wonder if this was the same meeting that we both competed in; I did do a stint as RO in the afternoon but didn't recieve any instuctions regarding the above, in fact I was shooting home loads with a 150 Grn Sierra Match King and did wonder if the debate was going to be raised by anyone.
    I was in the range office last week, and they couldn't produce anyone to explain the notice (which has been removed from the external noticeboard, but a copy remains indoors). The who should be in a position to know excused himself as "too busy to talk".

    A chap in the well-known establishment not far away said something like "its a load of rowlocks" .......

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    I can't wait to see the letters page in the next NRA Journal, assuming they print what's been sent in, it should make interesting reading.
    The last time I was in the range office it was staffed to capacity with 5 people there, three of them were eating bacon rolls and I was ignored by all of them!
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