Telescope, Scout Regt Mk IIs

[harry mac]

PM sent ref O.G. lenses.

[WilliamT]

Ah, yes! Not dumb at all Bill. That's how we learn........ It's the Instrument technical jargon for the Object Lens. That's the most forward of the lenses in the operating system.......unless you have a prismatic lens ahead of it, as in some of the pattern 18 scopes. The OG lens for the Scout Reg scope is the large lens at the front that always meets the ground first when you drop it ..........................ouch!

This is quite an interesting story in a roundabout way, being so famously associated with the No4T. Why don't you collectors/specialists get together and write up a small paper on the subject? Don't wory if there are many many mistakes. They'll soon be corrected and others will add to the story with their twopence worth and after a year or so, it'll be a good pretty well definitive tome.

Don't forget that the first person to read it immediately knows more than you because he knows ALL that you have written plus the little bit he knew before. But that's how we progress. I think it'd make an interesting read.

Thanks Peter. I picked my nearly new up again this morning. A lovely thing it is. I think I may have gotten it off eBay a few years ago.

Now, I am trying to figure out why I have not put it in the L42a1 kit.

[Valleysniper]

OG = Object or Objective Glass or lens

Objective (optics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[steve nz]

hi I have a scout telescope marked W OTTWAY EALING LONDON 1915
TEL.SCT.REGT MK2 .S . KEC OS. 126 GA 22150 it is brass with three extending sections ,however the main body is square section ,approx 50mm x50 mm . I have several scopes ,but have never seen a square one .
has anyone heard of these?

Steve NZ

[Alfred]

Years ago I found a pair of compact 8X25 binoculars at an estate sale that matched those in a photo spread on equipment carried by British Sniper teams.
The binoculars had been in water at some point, they were infiltrated by sediment and the leather covering had disappeared .
I cleaned these and recovered them, no markings denoting military use are visible, only a manufacturers mark of "Dupont of Paris", and "Aurore".

If anyone has info on this type of binocular let me know.

Probably not the same as those in the photo, but could be the civilian equivalent.
While at the Field Museum I saw a very similar pair in an exhibit of a naturalist's gear.

PS
Years after finding the glasses and restoring them I found a perfectly fitted fine leather case at a flea market with "Fommer Italy" stamped on the bottom.

[Peter Laidler]

A lot of these Scout Reg Scopes were sold off by the surplus trade until well into the 70's and even Broadhursts sold them as commercial scopes under various names. 'Marksman' was one name I seem to recall. So if you see one cheap. grab it for its interchangeable spare parts. Additionally, some of their other commercial telescopes utilised many of the parts from the trusty old Scout Reg scope too

[Josh_84]

G'day Guys,

My Grandad's brother recently passed away and he has found the old telescope he used to use for long range shooting. Anyway...i had a look at it and it's in quite good nick. After reading this forum i now know it is old military surplus. I the smallest (first??) of the extending tubes it had the following stamped:

Tele Sct Regt MkIIS
H.B.M.Co OS.126 GA
REGo No 5141

So i was wondering, does anyone know why type of telescope this is? What were they primarily used for? and is it something for hanging on to (other than for sentimental values).

Cheers,
Josh

[Peter Laidler]

It looks like you struck oil Josh. They were designed to replace the heavy and cumbersome Telescope GS or Mk3 as it was known. These Mk3 telescopes used up most of the worlds supply of brass. The Scout Reg scope was in fact a telescope to be used by the regimental scouts. I think it was initially called the HELIO Scope as in TELESCOPE Heliograph...., as in flashing mirrors and not flashing at females!

Anyway, they were used as the spotting telescope and put in the sniper chests. But initially, only the ARMY snipers had them, not the Marines (who were under the control of the Admiralty) and the RAF (who came under the Air Ministry) But after the mid 60's or so, the Scout Reg scope became the norm after the centralisation of weaponry went to Donnington and Thatcham.

There, short history lesson for you. They're not rare as such and if you're selling it to me, then they are VERY common!!!!!!!!!

[Josh_84]

It looks like you struck oil Josh. They were designed to replace the heavy and cumbersome Telescope GS or Mk3 as it was known. These Mk3 telescopes used up most of the worlds supply of brass. The Scout Reg scope was in fact a telescope to be used by the regimental scouts. I think it was initially called the HELIO Scope as in TELESCOPE Heliograph...., as in flashing mirrors and not flashing at females!

Anyway, they were used as the spotting telescope and put in the sniper chests. But initially, only the ARMY snipers had them, not the Marines (who were under the control of the Admiralty) and the RAF (who came under the Air Ministry) But after the mid 60's or so, the Scout Reg scope became the norm after the centralisation of weaponry went to Donnington and Thatcham.

There, short history lesson for you. They're not rare as such and if you're selling it to me, then they are VERY common!!!!!!!!!

Thank You Peter for the fast and informative reply. It's really a quite a nice, pretty cool piece of gear. It is still in the original leather case and has a little folding tripod stand that goes with it!! I'll endeavour to get some pictures put up. The tripod is painted green (for camouflage??). I don't know if the tripod and or paintjob is original or not though.

On the inside on the leather strap for the case he has his initials and the year 1944 written. I don't know if this is when he first acquired it or not but that is a good chance because that would have made him 19 at the time.

I'm now hoping they might turn up the old .303 and .22 he used to shoot with.

Cheers,
Josh

[tj214]

Of interest on KEC scope's, the "early" example I just picked up, #6020 has a 1943 date on the tube by "KEC". It is the first Scout Regt. of any maker that I have come across dated.

Ye gods, this is an ancient thread, but I just picked up my first IIs and its markings are relevant to your post:

TEL. SCT. REGT. IIs
K.E.C. 1943
O.S.126 G .A.
5986

(Note the space between the "G" and "period" just in front of the "A.")

It's in quite good condition with a very nice original leather case. Paid quite a bit (too much...) for it but my quest to find this telescope to buy revealed a ton of literal trash at some rather stellar prices, so decided to pull the trigger and be done with the project. Poorer but happy.

Does a manual for this telescope exist? What is its name and nomenclature?

TIA.