Questions on a Standard Products

[STU1]

here is 20961XX with it's stamped BE-B trigger housing and all of it's correct parts except for the rear sight the rifle is a bit later than yours but not by much. WB has wrong info, the trigger housing was requested by SP earlier than Jan 44 and obviously used them well before Jan 44

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[dnikkor]

here is 20961XX with it's stamped BE-B trigger housing and all of it's correct parts except for the rear sight the rifle is a bit later than yours but not by much. WB has wrong info, the trigger housing was requested by SP earlier than Jan 44 and obviously used them well before Jan 44

The carbine I'm looking at has a ST marked braised trigger housing. I hope you are right. Is that is a type 2 front band on yours? Thanks again and thanks for showing your very nice SP.

[Bruce McAskill]

Stu when was your carbine made? I ask as Standard Products didn't get the BE-B trigger housings till after 01-25-44 when requested from IBM. Riesch lists the ST marked housings as being used first.

[dnikkor]

Stu when was your carbine made? I ask as Standard Products didn't get the BE-B trigger housings till after 01-25-44 when requested from IBM. Riesch lists the ST marked housings as being used first.

Hi Bruce, I don't have Riesch's book yet (should be under the xmas tree). When did he say SP started using ST trigger housings? War Baby says they started 1/15/44.

The Standard Products I already have has a BE-B housing. Its serial #209199x was supposedly made in Sept. '43 according to some of the knowledgeable folks here. (Scott & Duff points more to Oct or Nov. '43, which would be nice since it has an Underwood barrel dated 11/43)

Standard Products seem to gravitate towards me. My first carbine was a SP with serial #212099x I bought on Gunbroker and the same sources said it was from late Dec. '43 though Ruth & Duff suggests real early Jan. '44. Shortly after getting this one, I took it to a local gunsmith to be checked out. Another man was there to pick up his SP he inherited from his father-in-law. His was vastly nicer than mine and lived in a great Winchester stock. It most likely was a DCM gun. Mine was pretty worn inside & out and in a M2 stock (a nice one though). Long story short, I paid more than I wanted to, but I bought his and then sold mine. Now an even nicer one may drop in my lap in WWII configuration (barring rebuild mark & some newer non-SP parts).

Do you (or anybody else) have a good guesstimate on manufacturing dates for #209502x & #209199x? Thanks.

[STU1]

Bruce, i'll have to dig out the data sheet on that particular rifle but if memory serves me correct it was a BE-B but i could have it confused with the Bavarian SP as well; Oct 44 for the manufacture timeframe. dnikkor thanks, it has a type 1 band.

[STU1]

just checked my picture files and found a closer shot of the TH, it is marked ST the rifle has a Marlin barrel (undated) had it confused with the Bavarian 21588XX that has a 1-44 Underwood barrel and BE-B TH, also had SP 21287XX my first carbine also with a 12-43 dated I.B.M. barrel, 217XXXX with a Underwood 2-44 barrel BE-B TH and a factory chisel staked squared S flip rear sight. the best i can gather is that 20961XX was made in Sept/Oct of 43 the chart in the Duff/Ruth book is/was a work in progress.

[dnikkor]

Well, I learned a valuable lesson....He who snoozes, looses.
Yes, bought out from under me. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that the SOB who beat me paid nearly $200 more than I could have bought it for. Valuable lesson, but a painful one too. Hope it got a nice home.

[Bruce McAskill]

dnikkor, The two carbines in the 2.09 range would have a date of about November 1943.

[dnikkor]

dnikkor, The two carbines in the 2.09 range would have a date of about November 1943.

You brightened my day. If correct, that means my SP serial #212099x could actually have the original barrel, an Underwood dated 11/43. Thanks, I needed that.

[dnikkor]

I don't know why Standard Products carbines are attracted to me. No sooner than I snooze & loose a real nice one, I run across another one with many if not all early features.....correct flip sight, Type 1 band, push safety AND stock with no rebuild mark. There is a ghost of a cartouche on the right and a strong SH-B in the slingwell. I didn't get a chance to tear into it today, but I will tomorrow. This could really be one of those proverbial "duffle-bag carbines".

The downside? Lots of finish wear. Stock may have been partially sanded and varnished. The barely readable 12/43 dated Underwood barrel has a MW of 2, which ain't bad. Basically this is a rack grade SP, most likely with all the original correct parts and no providence to prove its heritage, and it sure has a patina that is very long in the making. Asking $900, will sell for $700.

This might be a no-brainer to everybody here, but $700 is not a small sum of money this time of the year following a major car repair and the purchase of a Bavarian Rural Police w/flip.

Anybody see any reason (other than that pesky money thing) I shouldn't jump on this like dirty on a hog?