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[Missing Something]

Ok.... anyone know who the maker A.B.L is??




Also I am looking for any 2" mortar accessories or kit. (Sights, dummy/expended rounds, tools, parts, etc...)

Thanks,

Craig

email - channelsurfer911@hotmail.com

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[Badger]

Ok.... anyone know who the maker A.B.L is?

Allegheny Ballistics Laboratory (I think )....

They developed the bazooka as well as mortars during WWII...

As far as the items you need, I'd recommend you post a WTB (Want to buy) ad in the Quartermaster Stores.

Regards,
Badger

[Missing Something]

I have it from a couple of sources that it may be a Belgian army code?

Anyone confirm?

[Claven2]

No way would a Belgian mortar would be labelled in English. They speak French and Flemmish ONLY

[Missing Something]

Here is what I have from a reliable source

A.B.L. is the ownership mark for the Belgium Army. I'm hopeless at languages so someone will have to tell you the precise meaning but because of the two languages used in Belgium (French and Walloon?) it translates to "Army" in one language "Belgium" "Army" in the other language.

A hell of a lot of 2" mortars are ex Belgium, some new made by them (or at least refurbished with lots of Belgium marked parts, others like mine, entirely UK made with crows feet all over them but with "ABL" 51 lightly engraved on the lower barrel. I've always assumed the 51 refered to the calibre in MM rather than the year.

Well, some differences are that your mortar has "ABL" embossed on it, not engraved. Also, the rest of it is in English. If it came from Belgium, the Belgians bought it from England, or another Commonwealth nation.

[Missing Something]

Any more ideas????

Can anyone ID this mark on a 2" Mortar. Base is marked ML-2-IN. Mortar 8*
A.B.L. 51
SEM in circle
and a crown with letters....

[Badger]

It appears to be Belgium markings ....

Hope that helps ...

Regards,
Badger

[Missing Something]

Yep it helps.... I need to know the manufacturer though....

[Badger]

Well, I spent some time doing some research for you. This certainly is an odd duck to find.

Does it look like this?

French Brandt 50mm
Attachment 1841
(Click PIC to Enlarge)

There is a Belgian design using a captive piston which traps the gas in the tube. This mortar produce little noise and variants are still in service with the French and Chinese in limited applications, ie special forces. The Belgian design is called the Fly-K.

Regards,
Badger

[J. Savoie]

You could ask on one of those forums:

Forum DDay-Overlord.com - Jour J - 6 juin 1944

maquisards de france

At worst, ask me to translate and I'll do. Then you post you question with some good pictures for identification.

Both forums need you to register (free, of course) before you can post.

PS the guys on those forums are mainly from Europe (France, Belgium, England, Switzwerland, Spain, etc. plus a few like me from Canada)


J. Savoie
Québec