Questions on a Standard Products

[dnikkor]

I'm looking at a nice Standard Products with early features and a nice parkerized finish but a few question marks as to how original it is.

Serial number is 2095026 with an Underwood barrel dated 11/43. Can anybody narrow down the manufacturing date?

It has a fabricated trigger housing marked ST, but War Baby! says this wasn't in use until 1/15/44. Any thoughts if this is incorrect for this carbine?

Stock is low wood SH-B with a SH-B marked handguard. It does have a O.G. re-arsenal mark. Butt plate is correct. Wood is nice with just a few dings.

Push safety is unmarked and appears correct as is op rod, trigger. Seer is marked RI, which I believe to be a replacement.

It has a Type 2 unmarked front band, which may be correct if carbine is late enough. No bayonet band marks on barrel.

The rear flip sight is an unmarked except for the "S" on the left. Again, this should be in the realm of possibilities as far as my limited knowledge is concerned. The finish though shows a little more wear and does not match the rest of the carbine and I think I see evidence of round staking marks barely visible under the base plate of the sight but can't remember if round is correct for flip sights.

I can get the carbine for $750 plus tax, which does not sound too bad even if it has been re-arsenaled or even put together. Photos are not an option at this stage, but they had no problems with me partially stripping it.

Your opinions will be appreciated.

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[Bill Hollinger]

Mine is original.

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[dnikkor]

Mine is original.

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Nice carbine. I notice you have a fabricated trigger housing too. I see yours is newer than this one. What is your manufacturing date? Feb. '44 like your Underwood barrel?

Also, is your darker finish the finish as built? The one I am looking at has more of the green/gray finish that may be post war. The bolt is parked instead of the correct blue like yours, I guess from being re-arsenaled. I noticed too that your hammer is in the white. the one I am looking at is blued.

I'm still in the dark as far as if the one I am looking at is re-arsenaled or "corrected-ish." Thanks for your help.

[frankderrico]

Nice Bill, very nice.....Frank

[Bill Hollinger]

It is in as made condition, original. I'm not quite sure the exact month of build. Let me know if you want other photos and I'll add them to the gallery.

[Curt]

I swear that is the hardest carbine to find in early form. At that price you should be on it like a wet dog on a new suit.

[dnikkor]

It is in as made condition, original. I'm not quite sure the exact month of build. Let me know if you want other photos and I'll add them to the gallery.

Your photos have been a big help. I have a better idea what I saw after comparing it (or at least as well as my memory allows) to your original one. The SP I'm looking at seems to have mostly SP-correct parts except for the fronts sight (SI B for IBM), the RI seer (Rock Island?) and a CC mag release. I didn't take the bolt out, so I'm not sure about it. I could see the "S" inside the op rod, so I know that is right. I'm beginning to think that this one has been "corrected" beyond the rebuild just because of the large number of SP parts. I still don't know if the SP parts in the carbine would be right for its manufacturing age.

Any idea if all original SP carbines tend to have that darker finish like yours?

[Bill Hollinger]

I'm not too sure about the finish on others. I have seen a handful and all are darker. The RI sear is made for Inland.

[Maniac]

I've seen a few M1 Carbine hammers come and go but only one that was blued, it's also Standard Pro. ty III. Not sure what it all means

The M1 Carbine OWNER'S GUIDE by Larry Ruth & Scott Duff has some charts in it that give manufactured date ranges for most M1 Carbines. According to it, Std. Pro. carbines from S/N 2030000 to 2129000 were made from Oct. 1 to Dec. 31, 1943. The barrel date on your prospective purchase agrees with that.
I wouldn't call this gospel by any mean but Larry Ruth has had access to plenty of M1 Carbine data in his time and Scott Duff is no slouch when it comes to USGI iron either.
HTH

[FTD1167]

Mine is original.

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Bill, I have 2205955 seems real close to yours, but I have 8/43 UEF barrel.
But it is exactly same color as yours.