When it really happens: SHTF...

[muffett.2008]

I guess you could use the toilet paper to roll the tobacco in lieu of cigarette paper.

My wife and daughter were stuck on a cruise ship until SLOMO relented and allowed them to return to port....big problem now is that I am stuck in self isolation along with the bossgirl(no, not the dog) wish they'd stayed on the ship.

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[CINDERS]

Having been on a cruise ship for a month being cooped up in those state rooms would have seen me stir crazy thank god I took Volume 1 of The Australians in the first world war By C E W Bean at 900 pages I was not short of distractions so I guess they were very happy to be off the tug boat.

I surmise Muffet that the holidays over now so no feet up on the coffee table then!

[Aragorn243]

The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is now nearly completely shut down under penalty of law. Only life sustaining businesses may remain open and operating. These include banks, grocery store, building supply stores, pharmacies, hospitals. Restaurants may remain open but may only operate on a take out or delivery basis. Most retail stores have been closed along with most major industries. As far as I know, we are the first state to do this. We have had one death and 150+ confirmed cases. 40% increase in one day.

I haven't figured out whether this affects me yet or not as building supply stores may remain open and building services are still allowed but I'm not sure what exactly a building service is yet. New construction has most definitely been halted. I'm not working tomorrow, that's all I know at this point.

Governor orders non-life-sustaining businesses to shut down | National politics | stltoday.com

[pocketshaver]

this is nothing but a man made biological weapon. Seriously, look at how quickly its changing.....

massiv edeath tolls in china don't help it out. mass graves....

thing is, the earth wasn't even meant to support 500 million people.... world wide

[Ovidio]

Little update: Tonight all restrictions have been tightened.
No more physical activity outside (not clearly expressed: I live on the land and can get in the middle of wonderful vineyards in a matter of 200 metres from home, so it is nonsense), all shops closed on Sundays, more controls...
The latest numbers show that we have more people being prosecuted for wrong declarations to Police and Carabinieri about the rightfulness of their movements that people struck by the disease. And we have plenty.
So, in the end, stupidity still prevails over medical condition...
Since this is a MiSurps forum, today or latest tomorrow I'll post my beloved SPAS12 in military configuration.
It is time to cuddle her a bit. I know she feels lonesome...

[CINDERS]

We have had 2 confirmed cases down here in the Southwest, an 81 y/o lady passed away as the latest victim over east, a person was assualted in Tasmania for just wearing a face mask probably did not occur to the king hitter that the person they hit for no reason may have been born there in Tassie, just they were asian. Thats not the Australia I knew and grew up in the bush with the smiling face and help you out no matter what, that is wrong on all levels of humanity.

We are now conducting hook-ups with meetings, my new job starts on a constructioin site on the 30th not sure how its all gunna work I'll just tailor the toolboxes and pre starts & safety briefings around this disease not sure on the site numbers but it would have to be 4-500 onsite.

[Flying10uk]

This piece was on Sky News yesterday. Please do NOT look at it if you are easily upset.

It gives an indication of what our brothers and sisters in Italian hospitals have been trying to cope with and an indication, perhaps, to the rest of us of what may be about to hit us.

[Ovidio]

Yes. That is the true face of the problem. Although I’m starting to think about it and come up with some strange ideas...
I’ll elaborate later. IPhone is too tiny.

[Ovidio]

I was speculating a bit today.
There are “casualties” everywhere now. The numbers are soaring, so there are more and more panicked voices for a complete shutdown of the Country. But that would mean that people would panic immediately. Shortening the opening hours of shops would cause people to huddle up and raise the risk of infection.
All this without even considering the repercussions on the economy and so, on the life of millions of people.
The problem is that too many people talk. People who know things and people who don’t. And it is not always easy to discriminate the first from the latter ones.
One of the most important lessons I have learned during these last three weeks is that a country facing a disaster does not need total freedom of speech, absolute tolerance for every opinion. It needs a very tight management of the information, which should be in good, competent hands. But one line, one opinion, one decision maker. Armchair heroes and geniuses, politicians and other idiots must shut up and allow the ones with responsibility and competence to do their work. Which is to cross the river and bring everybody to safety.
If people keep hearing conflicting opinions, there will be confusion and uncertainty.
In times of crises, Rome had time-limited dictators. That may be a tad too much, but letting donkeys talk and create confusion on all media is certainly not democracy: it is foolish.
Another thing that I’m learning is how unsettling it is not to know, not even roughly, how long a situation like this will last. No-one seems to know.
Everybody is reacting to the crisis with harsher rules and calling for even stricter ones. I’m home with a wife and three kids. For me, the only tough aspect of this situation is that I can’t tell them anything. I talk about how we can spend time, what we will do after this, but I can’t answer their only real question.
How long can such a situation last? How long can an economy hold? How long can people last under house arrest?
I surprised myself thinking that maybe, within a week or two, once the situation gets untenable, someone could come up with a solution that may sound like this: protect, segregate as good as possible all the more fragile people, all elders, all weak and sick ones, and let all the others face the disease. The tragedy is the sheer amount of people in horrible conditions who overwhelm the hospitals, but if we can protect the more exposed categories, we might reduce pressure on the hospitals and allow for all the others to keep on living. Those with complications would be able to get treatment and the rest would just get that damned flu. In the meantime, someone would finally come up with a vaccine (and then I would really like to stand watch at the town hospital to see if a couple of local no-vax families show up).
I don’t know anything of viruses, biology etcetera, I’m just thinking freely and wildly. But I have the feeling I might not be that far off...

Last little thing.
Cleaning up home, i stumbled on a long forgotten document, the original registration of my Grandpa’s Carcano when, before the end of WWII, he moved to Sulmona, in central Italy. Dated March 9th, 1945.
Great to find it again!
Attachment 106312

[Flying10uk]

One of the "experts" that came on television recently stated that masks should have filters with a rating of P3 which is a fine rated filter. If this information is correct, all of those just wearing a thin "dust mask" for protection are presumably risking putting themselves at risk from the virus?