Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2011)

[mausernut]

I'll do it as well, I have some targets with three shot groups one is from my Berretta Gardone 6.5 carcano and the other is from a Russian Capture K 98. I'll do the other targets as soon as I get time.

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[mausernut]

does a chinese sks count

[Patrick Chadwick]

does a chinese sks count

If it goes bang and makes holes in paper at a distance of 100 yards/meters, why not?

[Dave E from Detroit]

Sorry I don't check this site very often, but, Lucky me! I'm only 90 miles from Camp Perry and have been shooting in the National Matches since 1991. The first time I shot the 'Vintage' match was with a Belgian Mauser in .30-06, receiver marking exactly as pictured on page 164 of "Mauser Bolt Rifles" Third Edition by Ludwig Olson. I shot well enough with that rifle to get a bronze medal with it. I have since switched to my German Mod 98, code ar 43, all matching, and have managed to earn a couple more bronze medals with it. The course of fire is 5 sighters slow prone, 10 shots for record slow prone, 10 shots rapid prone, and 10 shots standing offhand slow fire for a possible 300 points, all at 200 yards. Great fun!
Unsure how well I will do this year as I just had hernia repair surgery Monday of last week. Check out the CMP website for information on the National Matches: Civilian Marksmanship Program and entry information. The hardest thing about Camp Perry is finding lodging. I'll be there to shoot 8 matches in 7 days, again, 1-7 August.

[EMills40]

Greetings from heat ravaged central Texas with a hope this works. I can shoot fairly well, add and subtract, done been to a county fair and a sheep dipping but I am frustrated beyond reason trying to send some pictures via the internet.
Thanks to bigduke for the opportunity and motivation to drag my milsurps out of the closet and see if they will shoot.
Started with the 1917 Enfield by Eddystone and it surprised me! One picture is my first target for the competition. It is also the first 6 rounds from the rifle in a very long unknown time as I have had it for over 10 years and never fired it. Yes it is the first 6 as the very first round did not leave a hole. The hold was 6:00, slow fire off a bench with the as issued sights for a category 1 effort
The ammo used was Korean surplus 30-06 head stamped KU 73. I'll pull a round soon and send particulars for those curious/interested.
As matter of interest/excuse I have found that range conditions ofttimes drive me away. I stop shooting when: the temperature on the bench in the shade reaches 100 degrees Fahrenheit, the mirage prevents spotting the holes, or the wind blows the ammo boxes over. Last outing temp reached 100 F at 11:30am.
More targets to follow.


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[jmoore]

Some thoughts-

1)How about a dedicated sub-thread just for target display? Keep 'em from getting lost in the chatter, diversions, huzzahs, and questions.

2)Should the target be scaled down for those shooting at 100 yards vs. 100 meters? 100m might be do-able by crossfiring, but that's not a real good option...!!!

3)To prevent modifications to original weapons that aren't readily capable of being zeroed at 100y/m (Eg.- a minimum sight setting of 200m or more) should there be allowed either a supplemental aiming point or a "virtual" set of scoring rings- Or maybe a catagory for group size only?

I'd like to see all sorts of weapons represented rather than just the usual suspects. Also don't want folk to feel it's another equipment race. I will NOT bed a decent "correct" or "original" rifle.

Gunner's set the bar pretty high! Iron sights to boot!

[bigduke6]

Some thoughts-

1)How about a dedicated sub-thread just for target display? Keep 'em from getting lost in the chatter, diversions, huzzahs, and questions.

2)Should the target be scaled down for those shooting at 100 yards vs. 100 meters? 100m might be do-able by crossfiring, but that's not a real good option...!!!

3)To prevent modifications to original weapons that aren't readily capable of being zeroed at 100y/m (Eg.- a minimum sight setting of 200m or more) should there be allowed either a supplemental aiming point or a "virtual" set of scoring rings- Or maybe a catagory for group size only?

I'd like to see all sorts of weapons represented rather than just the usual suspects. Also don't want folk to feel it's another equipment race. I will NOT bed a decent "correct" or "original" rifle.

Gunner's set the bar pretty high! Iron sights to boot!

Good thoughts,

Before I start putting everything in order just want to see if it will take off, will produce a table of all results in time (next week), as for the cards and pics, will prefare once it gets going to put these in, like you say a sub folder, ( at some point this wont be practical if there is a lot involved) need help with that one but will see what Doug has to offer.

The 100 mtr/ 100 yrd issue I,m not concerned it was to make it open for all worldwide milsurp owners and for whatever side of the rule you use, or your range is in.

Can indicate on the scoring the distance etc, if there is a big % of the two will draw up two tables for each distance

As for the weapons, I think I,ve covered nearly all ground regarding Milsurp rifles, plus the rules (not many of them) was to help out most who come up against a brickwall in certain comps, what you do with the target is down to the shooter, if you put this on a backing board and have an aiming point below etc then have no probs with that, as long as the target is the same size as quoted.

I will have similar probs with My swiss K11 the next few days but hope to come up with something.

As for equipment race, I certanly didnt intend for anything like that, I,ve seen many in my club go down the road of buying £2000-3000 rifles and then the £1000+ scope and they still cant hit a barn door, I get a lot of pleasure out of shooting an old milsurp with any ammo, and knowing it hasnt broke the bank, plus its not just the shooting, its the history behind it.

As for the bedding of rifles, I only said they would be allowed, am certanly not asking anyone to start bedding there pride an joy, it was more of a point that a friend had raised, regarding the issue.

Example: you buy a nice SMLE, Mauser etc, it shoots like a dream and at some point in time you may want remove the fore-end/ stock and you find it has been bedded, or had bearings made and fitted etc, then I don`t want anyone thinking they cant use it.

Again the idea behind it, was for anyone with a milsurp, whatever the size of rifle, make , action etc, to have a go.

If Gunner continues with cards like that, then the only option is to ban him from the comp

[gunner]

If Gunner continues with cards like that, then the only option is to ban him from the comp

Thats not fair! Or do you think that the 7.92mm punches were cheap to make! Ooops

[Patrick Chadwick]

As for equipment race, I certanly didnt intend for anything like that, I,ve seen many in my club go down the road of buying £2000-3000 rifles and then the £1000+ scope and they still cant hit a barn door, I get a lot of pleasure out of shooting an old milsurp with any ammo, and knowing it hasnt broke the bank, plus its not just the shooting, its the history behind it.

... that is EXACTLY how I see it as well.

Thanks bigduke6 for the moral support

Patrick

[jmoore]

Just trying to defuse dramas and keep things as sane as possible- Not that ANY of this stuff is rational!

If you've no problems using supplemental aiming points, wonderful! I rooted about this morn for a few photo examples of rear sights that may benefit from their use:









No 100m settings on these! So, offset aiming points will be great!