1907 Hook Quillon Bayonet find

[mike1967]

Small Arms Unit Marks : Instructions For Armourers (with amendments 1916) : APPENDIX IX - Marking of Arms - List III

which I gather lists the Kings (Liverpool) Regiment as LL, (must state I don't have a copy and looked for one on and off)

Correct Bigduke, i have that book and it lists Liverpool as L.L

[RobD]

For what it's worth, the list here http://martinihenry.com/units.htm lists DT as The Dorsetshire Regiment
Rob

[Flying10uk]

Nigel, your last picture in post 1 showing a close up of the quillon seems to show a diagonal line exactly where I would expect there to be a weld scare if a "new" quillon had bee welded on to the cross guard. However, the lighting is not exactly great in this shot and it could just be a shadow in the picture. I believe that I am correct in saying that many of these quillon 1907s had their hooks removed around the beginning of WW1 but some have, apparently, given birth to new hooks in more recent years. Are you able to post some more close up pictures of the quillon better light, please?

[Peter Laidler]

Rob and Mike, threads 11 and 12, all I can do is to quote the official Equipment regulations that Armourers who do these markings are apt to follow. I've laid my cards on the table for all to see and even published these findings, copied directly from them, in a little booklet form. And to date, no one has seen fit to inform/tell me to correct, alter, amend or add to it!
Let's see where this other info originates from. That's all anyone can ask, surely?

Reminds me of writing a book some time ago and having to include a chapter dispelling certain info that proved to be questionable. In this case, my source was from the Army Library, (Prince Consorts Library) at Aldershot. There may be other sources of course and the single Army library might not be infallible but I did have the actual regulation and updates in my hands

[mike1967]

Im happy to scan or photograph the relevant pages of "Instruction For Armourers 1912 (1916)". If its of any use to anyone.

[bigduke6]

Im happy to scan or photograph the relevant pages of "Instruction For Armourers 1912 (1916)". If its of any use to anyone.

Would certainly help me Mike.

[mike1967]

Would certainly help me Mike.

No problem, ill probably have to take pictures as I'm afraid to damage the spine if i open it right out to scan it.

[bigduke6]

Thanks Mike,

[Eaglelord17]

Nigel, your last picture in post 1 showing a close up of the quillon seems to show a diagonal line exactly where I would expect there to be a weld scare if a "new" quillon had bee welded on to the cross guard. However, the lighting is not exactly great in this shot and it could just be a shadow in the picture. I believe that I am correct in saying that many of these quillon 1907s had their hooks removed around the beginning of WW1 but some have, apparently, given birth to new hooks in more recent years. Are you able to post some more close up pictures of the quillon better light, please?

Just one small point (I am not a expert in these bayonets by any means) wouldn't it make sense that a hooked quillion bayonet would be in better shape than a standard P07? The reason I am thinking this is if it saw a fair bit of usage it would have been much more likely to have had the quillion removed, rather than a bayonet that got hidden somewhere out of sight for a long time.

[browningautorifle]

wouldn't it make sense that a hooked quillion bayonet would be in better shape than a standard P07?

No...they saw as extensive use as the next. Some went through the whole war. They were missed for refurb was all. Anything is possible, this one could have been out of battle from the beginning. It has the correct scabbard with teardrop button which is super shape too. THAT'S strange...unless the whole thing was sitting aside for 100 years. Thing is, we'll need lots of clear close ups to determine. I've had the real ones and I've pointed out fakes at the gunshows to the vendors who immediately withdrew them from sale... We need clear close ups.