My new purchace a few weeks ago.

[Peter Laidler]

I have seen one or two real/genuine No4T's in my life and I can safely say, without fear of serious contradiction, and as kindly as I possibly can, that this ain't one of 'em!

[read6737]

Well that I already new...........

I knew the moment time I saw it.

The REAL question is is it ISRAELI.

list of differences

Both pads are fixed with roll pins.
Wrong shape pads.
Wrong screws in both pads.
wrong screw positions on both pads.
Wrong mounted position.

The work to mount the pads is very professional.
It is felt that this is an Israeli made "T"
I think that any one making a fake would have not made these mistakes,
as there are enough pics about of the correct ones in books even before the WWW came about.
I think Israeli pads are harder to find and I have never heard of copies of them.
It was sold as a sniper but NOT as a "T" the price was right for France,
ie the price of an OK rifle with all the extras was more than what I paid.
It also has a fantastic trigger pull very smooth and direct at 1.5kg.

SO WHAT IS IT?

I don't think it is trying to be an original 4 T (but it still could be a fake ) as some one making one would have added many other things such as better screws fixing the cheek pad, (but it still could be a fake) as a "T" has been stamped on the box then why not put other stampings on? but it still could be a fake.
Could the Israeli forces marked the Enfields with a "T" ?
why not? as they were using originals in their own little wars.
and what better way to show the difference from a standard rifle using a similar stamp to the H&H ones, but no need to go and put any other markings on as the were not needed. (but it still could be a fake )

So again YES I HAVE ALWAYS KNOW THAT THIS RIFLE IS NOT A REAL "T".

[burpgun]

Have you successfully collimated a scope with your rifle using a correct bracket?

Can you remove and replace the bracket and scope without disturbing the alignment?

I wish you the very best of luck.

[read6737]

Have you successfully collimated a scope with your rifle using a correct bracket?

no, the NO 32 mount and scope fit well. The mount is a us made copy and needs a little adjustment. The front hole / location ring on the front of the ring mount is too small ( not the pad) a light file and it a sitting properly now.

Can you remove and replace the bracket and scope without disturbing the alignment?

Yes all screw holes are in the right place and all goes together very easily,

I have been told by a friend that the hole positions on both pads and the fact that the pad screws are cheese head are the give away that this rifle could be an Israeli made one.

[Steve H. in N.Y.]

I seem to remember that Roger mentioned one characteristic of some (most?all?) Israeli front pads is that the center screw is slightly higher than the other two.

[read6737]

Yes that is what I understand as well.

The front pads center screw is higher than the other two creating a gentle upturned V. The H&H screws are in a line.
The rear pads screws are in the opposite position i.e left one at bottom edge of pad and the right at top. H&H pads are the opposite way round.

The other difference I understand is the front pad position, with it being set further back from the receiver ring by a few mm.

If you look back at my pics you can see these differences.

David