IHC use of HRA stocks

[slamfire1]

"Quite a few late IHC rifles that appear to be original, have been observed equipped with H&R stocks and 1/2" DAS cartouches. All have been in the 5.1 Mil serial number range. This is another part of the IHC story that remains a mystery". His Spring 2005 article gives a bit more information based on rifles CMP was turning up

CMP routinely switches parts on all original lower grade rifles. So no one who pays more for a correct rifle will complain. And when they were building collector grade rifles, they took top quality stocks off rifles with metal wear and dings, to build the collector grades. I hope this guy is not making judgement calls on what he sees in the lower grade rifles.

Incidentally, what is a "correct" or "collector grade" rifle was based on Jerry's opinion. I saw him switching out parts on the very minty IHC he took from me.

Wish I could have gotten it out the door, but it was put in the pile of collector grade rifles they were building.

I don't know if he is still working. The CMP kicked out the volunteers some years ago.

[Joe W]

Joe,

The DAS acceptance mark means the whole rifle has been accepted as a unit on that rifle. It's the last mark applied by the Ordnance inspector indicating it's now government property.

I stand corrected on this. I guess then the original question is answered, in that it would have to be only 1/2", if applied by IHC. I don't know what I was thinking, maybe barrels. Does'nt LMR and HRA barrels contain either the Ordnance emblem (crossed cannons) or the boxed DAS ? When are these acceptance stamps applied ?? Geeez, just when I thought I had this stuff figured out

[Joe W]

I hope this guy is not making judgement calls on what he sees in the lower grade rifles.

I don't think so. In his Spring 2005 GCA Journal article "Featured Rifle, IHC s/n 5169890" Scott Duff stated :

"Some years ago I noticed that the CMP was finding a lot of apparently original IHC M1 rifles in the 5-million serial number range that were equipped with H&R stocks. After YEARS of adding rifles to the data base, a pattern emerged, and it became apparent that IHC did in fact manufacture a fairly large number of new rifles equipped with stocks of the H&R profile"

[Ramboueille]

I don't think so. In his Spring 2005 GCA Journal article "Featured Rifle, IHC s/n 5169890" Scott Duff stated :

"Some years ago I noticed that the CMP was finding a lot of apparently original IHC M1 rifles in the 5-million serial number range that were equipped with H&R stocks. After YEARS of adding rifles to the data base, a pattern emerged, and it became apparent that IHC did in fact manufacture a fairly large number of new rifles equipped with stocks of the H&R profile"

Joe,

You're correct. This was long before there were any "grades" and long before CMP knew what much was. I've seen two IHC rifles that had HRA stocks, completely disassembled one, and both rifles were near new.

Quantity is unknown but to date, about 40 of them from the 5135ooo to about 5175ooo serial ranges and not all are from CMP. After all, IHC bought receivers from HRA, didn't they? Forty is more than a coincidence.

[Bodyman]

as few as 9 samples randomly drawn from the population will get us into the low 90th (-ish) percentile. Over 40 should get us well into the upper 90's (if not 99%+) degree of certainty. I am sure that someone here will be better equipped to speak to this though as that was a long time ago for me ... regardless, statistically speaking it would sound something like "it is highly unlikely to be a coincidence and would instead appear to a very high degree of certainty to be significant", or soemthing like that.

Statistics always did drive me nust because quite honestly even if that is correct then what the heck did that just say ... I said I am pretty sure that I think it is possible ... really sure, ... probably, ... I think, ....

[Rick B]

But I have asked repeatedly when this discussion has come up if these stocks had the partial V notch that Overton had. I ask again as Overton was making very large stocks with a large back porch and I have this documented. I can very easily see how these could be mistaken for HRA as the back porch is huge.

I wonder more if maybe I am not hearing a answer as maybe they jumped the gun on these not noticing the had the V-notch after releasing these stocks were HRA and now no one wants to say Opps.

I only say this again for knowledge reasons. If these do turn out to be Overton large stocks a huge mistake is going to be made with folks putting HRA stocks on there 5 mill IHC's when they don’t belong. Rick B

[ihcfan55]

There is no Overton notch on these stocks, and yes, they are original equipment on many IHCs in the 5.11M to 5.17M ranges. I have documented several hundred of them now, and actually own three original IHC rifles with this "HRA-style" stock. As a matter of fact, this "HRA-style" stock actually is the predominate stock in the 5.16M range.

There is a key identifier to spotting one of these stocks, but I will not name it here. It seems that most of my postwar ID work has been pirated, packaged, and is now being sold as the M1 Garand Photo Essay.

[Rick B]

Thank you Wayne and I made mention through a third party to that so called author on info he pilfered from my discussions and he stated he got it from someone else. Funny though how he says most of it came off the net. You are one of those who know I found the O on the Overton guards and he gave no credit to that.

Isn’t what he did called Plagiarism? Rick B

[mh53gunner]

Thank you Wayne and I made mention through a third party to that so called author on info he pilfered from my discussions and he stated he got it from someone else. Funny though how he says most of it came off the net. You are one of those who know I found the O on the Overton guards and he gave no credit to that.

Isn’t what he did called Plagiarism? Rick B

Interesting!

[MIL rifle1]

Did these HRA style stocks used by IHC have the numbers in the stock channel?