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    Nope! Good try JM but the bipods are each SIDE of the carrying handle, The pull-out lever I'm thinking of is about 4" long, rotates at the front end (close to the front end of the c/handle), is situated directly UNDER the carrying bit and swings out left or right.

    Being sat at home on a wet miserable Saturday evening in Oxfordshire, just about to enjoy a curry and a few tinnies (Tiger Beer.....) I don't have a FAMAS with me at the moment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    I look at the EM rifles in the same way as, say, the DeLisle rifles. Something that has gone into history surrounded by an air of mystery and intrigue. Something that is slightly revered when looked at through rose tinted spectacles. But in truth, with your rose tinder specs removed, not nearly - or even remotely - as good as was lead to be believed at the time

    Thank god for the Mk2S Sten and the L1A1. TRULY good at their jobs even without the benefit of those specs!
    The Canadianicon example of that would be the AVRO Arrow aircraft from the early 60s. The whole project was scrapped when still in it's infancy, and all existing examples were to be cut small enough to fit through a 1 meter square. Thanks to a few books on the matter in the late 70s, many of the Canadian public still quotes that the plane would have been modern even today. The thing was huge, and the bugs were still not worked out of it.

    I suspect that I will now be flamed by the Canadians present for questioning one of the few Canadian icons that exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Nope! Good try JM but the bipods are each SIDE of the carrying handle, The pull-out lever I'm thinking of is about 4" long, rotates at the front end (close to the front end of the c/handle), is situated directly UNDER the carrying bit and swings out left or right.

    Being sat at home on a wet miserable Saturday evening in Oxfordshire, just about to enjoy a curry and a few tinnies (Tiger Beer.....) I don't have a FAMAS with me at the moment!
    Mmmm, curry! Not much of that in the shop. (Beer is right out!)

    My next WAG is that it detatches to become the grenade launcher sight, but having never seen a real one....
    They have no bearing on disassembly, and there appear to be several variants w/o this feature, so it must not be all that "important".



    Only about 50 semi-autos sold in the US, and no transferable select/burst fire ones of which I'm aware. Could have bought one when they came in country, but I "figgered" that there would have been plenty- no need to be in a rush and all...
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    Apparently, no "detatch" is needed, just swing the arm out, roll the rifle on it's side, and do the indirect fire thing w/ the grenade, using the arm as the sight.

    Hmmph!

    Link to detailed pics (For computer game development apparently, but better pictures than I've ever seen on this rifle...)

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    Stencollector, as much as I hate to say it, is right on the Arrow. It was a project still in its infancy, in quite a few ways. For one thing, the Arrow never flew with its Iroquois engines, so it was far from complete.

    On the other hand, it DID break every record in the book, flying on half-power.

    I have never had a chance to tear an EM-2 down and find out exactly WHAT is in its tender little guttiwutts but I do suspect that it might have been possible to make it a little easier on the troopies. Kar 43 is miserable, but it didn't have to be. I am TOLD that the EM-2 has a fair bit of Kar 43 in its ancestry..... so product improvement likely was possible.

    But we will never KNOW until someone does it, will we?

    Still, the ammo WAS a true assault-rifle round and NATO STILL doesn't have one of those, the .223 being more suited to gopher-hunting. Next NATO round will be whatever the USBO crams down NATO's throat, same as the last two.

    If only RATIONAL heads would prevail.....

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    Just thinking (I do do things like that, sometimes), should anyone actually have access to an EM-2, would it be possible for them to strip her down and take a series of nudies for those of us who have only seen pictures of her clothed? THAT would be Enfield Porn of the highest sort!!!!

    Every photo I have seen of the rifle has been assembled, else on the range, and there aren't all that many of those. I think some really good close-ups of the mechanical parts, and some from farther back, along with a series of stripping sequence shots, would be of great benefit to those trying to learn about this truly fascinating development. For myself, it is a tale from my early childhood... and it is a mystery as old as many of our members.

    Perhaps time to clear some of it up.

    I can hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellie View Post
    Just thinking (I do do things like that, sometimes), should anyone actually have access to an EM-2, would it be possible for them to strip her down and take a series of nudies for those of us who have only seen pictures of her clothed? THAT would be Enfield Porn of the highest sort!!!!

    Every photo I have seen of the rifle has been assembled, else on the range, and there aren't all that many of those. I think some really good close-ups of the mechanical parts, and some from farther back, along with a series of stripping sequence shots, would be of great benefit to those trying to learn about this truly fascinating development. For myself, it is a tale from my early childhood... and it is a mystery as old as many of our members.

    Perhaps time to clear some of it up.

    I can hope.
    Think more often! That is a grand idea.

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    I believe that would be the emergency back up wine opener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmEngRifles View Post
    I believe that would be the emergency back up wine opener.
    On question from Peter Laidlericon:
    On the subject of bull-pups. FAMAS.......... What is the idea/reason for the arm under the carrying handle that swings out left or right. It's not cocking or a grenade sight................... Any ideas?

    I believe that would be the emergency back up wine opener.
    Last edited by AmEngRifles; 07-06-2010 at 07:31 PM. Reason: trouble figuring out how to respond and quote previous posts with my response.

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    By the way, there is a great little video on You Tube on the EM-2. I am not sure how to get that onto this post, but if you go to You Tube and look up EM-2, assault rifle, you should find it.

    An interesting observation about the video is that when they show the rifle, doing a live fire demo, which includes a magazine change, it appears to have a barrel that abruptly ends just an inch or two in front of the forestock. That is in direct contrast to every other image of the EM-2 I have seen. Even the model that later comes out of the "sand test" has the original, longer length barrel. Wonder what THAT is all about? I thought it was just low quality video, but if you watch carefully, you will see what I am referring to.

    Try this

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