No4 butt srew seized! Tool help...

[Alan de Enfield]

Cheers,

Quick question... is the shank of the bolt a tight fit in the stock or is it just the head??

The 'head' sits on a 'ledge', below which should be a metal washer.
The shank is a 'push fit' thru the butt out to the butt socket. (so yes - the shank is also a 'tightish' fit)

Just a thought - you have removed the leather washer / cover from the top of the bolt haven't you ? ( I assume so if you have managed to get a screwdriver into the slot)

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[usabaker]

you have removed the leather washer

Having never tore down one of these rifles I have to ask what is the leather washer for? is it to keep the oiler from hitting the bolthead? and Did the come on all of the Enfield variants including the Indian versions?

Thanks, Bill

[browningautorifle]

what is the leather washer for

To keep things from rattling and being noisy...I think. Peter...?

[22SqnRAE]

Having never tore down one of these rifles I have to ask what is the leather washer for? is it to keep the oiler from hitting the bolthead? and Did the come on all of the Enfield variants including the Indian versions?

Thanks, Bill

Bill,

Precisely. Leather washer stopped the brass oil bottle form rattling and making unwanted noise and damaging the brass bottle.

[usabaker]

Leather washer stopped the brass oil bottle form rattling and making unwanted noise

That makes sense, I guess its something I better remember. Thank you

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Or, a wire coathanger with a small hook bent into the end.

? extractor?

[Scout Sniper]

Nope, no leather washer. Removed already.

Earlier i was locating the screwdriver and hitting it to try and shock it. Also as the stock is slightly loose i stood it stock down and hit the end of the screw with a parallel punch.

Might just be me but i took a picture of the screw head to show you and it does appear to have a crack around the right edge so it may be freeing up? Gonna wait till i get a satisfactory tool before i try again.

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[Peter Laidler]

FORGET HEAT............... for xxxx sake...... This was an everyday problem with No5's in the far east due to pillocks before-hand not doing what they were instructed to do. Take the bull by the horns. Butt in a vice, spanner on the square shank -o or socket and unscrew it. It WILL come, believe me. When you replace it grease the xhit out of the new bolt and inside the butt and that's the end of the problem for ever more.

[Scout Sniper]

Apart from having a better fitting tool Peter that is just what i did.

I could feel the driver twisting, and today i feel like i have pulled the muscles in my chest and arms from using all my strength. Shes in there alright, but im not the kind of person to give up easily. Better tool and try again is all i can do.

[RobD]

This is a familiar situation. The body of the stock bolt will have rusted and attached itself to the hole in the butt. It is not that the metal-to-metal fit is too tight. You need to make up a wide screwdriver and grind the tip so it is 1/10 inch thick and parallel-sided and preferably wide enough to just fit into the butt.
To make up mine I bought a cold chisel which just fits into the butt, and ground the tip to suit. I attached a spanner to the hexagonal shaft to get huge torque.
Others have had success grinding a tip on a cruciform wheel brace for a car.
Be sure the screwdriver tip is parallel sided or the laws of physics mean that as you twist it will exit the slot.
Rob

[Scout Sniper]

I have just brought a suitable cold chisel and a replacement bolt and washer.

As soon as it arrives are grind up the chisel and use the screw head as the gauge to ensure i get the perfect fit.

Are keep you all updated on my progress.