When guns become nothing more than steel and wood clubs?

[FTIII]

Redhand,

I have spent quiet a lot of time talking to my local dealer and he assures me that there are more dealers participating in this ammo/component situation than not. HTH

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BudT

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[RED]

There is only one plausible explanation for what is happening and raw material availability is NOT it. Fools going out and buying huge amounts of ammo and reloading supplies that they will never use is the only reason for the shortages. Guys that buy bargains and stock up when prices are cheap have not been in the market for nearly a year. There aren't any bargains out there...

You can't blame it on Obammy either. He has done zip, nada, zero to cause this situation.

"Not too bad" in your area... I don't know where you live (Kumbayah land?) but when large wholesale distributors like Graf & Sons, Midway Arms, and others have ZERO primers in stock, that is bad. I haven't seen a 1 lb jug of Unique for sale in months I use about 1 lb every 3-4 years and just happens this is the year. If you think buying 30,000 rounds of ammo when you don't even shoot is a brilliant move... I'm sorry YOU are the problem.

If everybody that could, would buy 500 lbs of chicken because it is on sale or 1,000 lbs of rice (yes you have that right), you are an idiot and I wouldn't brag about it!

[John Kepler]

And any competition shooter will tell you that dry-fire practice is actually more beneficial than live-fire....so what's the problem?

As for the metal....raw material costs are always at the "head-end" of any manufacturing operation and have a disproportionate effect on the final cost of the item. The scrap price (please note the correct spelling) of any metal is not necessarily reflective of the cost of virgin alloy...you ain't buying a coil of AISI 1110 for the same price as #2 Bundle!

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Not to worry redhand, even if you NEVER purchase any more firearms or ammunition, NOBODY IS GOING TO NOTICE!

I am not puirchasing any firearms for one simple reason, I have run out of room!

[Dave in Pa]

Okay,interesting statement, "but for legal reasons I can't give you my score",care to elaborate.

[0311Shooter]

Probably didn't "Qualify".

[Festus]

Probably didn't "Qualify".

I'm guessing it may be same way I used to run a firearms program.You got a pass or fail entered in the records.This was for the benefit of shysters,internal affairs,news media,or anybody else who thought they might be privy to firearms scores for whatever reason. If an actual numerical score is entered it can be subpoenaed. A"fail" also meant you couldn't carry until you qualified.
If this is not what he meant then I typed a bunch of stuff for nothing.
Festus

[Redhand]

Festus, you win the battle of wits. O311shooter you lose big time. By the way does your handle have anything to do with your m.o.s? I use to shoot on the H.P circuit and know quiet well how dry firing helps you with the fundamentals, but not quite the same as live fire. I love to shoot and shoot often and can usually hit what I'm aiming at in most circumstances. I just hate that I can't shoot as often now due to the expense. I don't need anymore firearms all though there are lots of examples I would probably purchase if the price is right. And as far as the metals commodities markets go, they are down now. I still say that the amount of metal it would take to produce 50,000 rounds of most cal. is minimal compared to the actual manufacturing cost. Lets use .22 l.r as an example. Everything these days is based upon Fear mongering and I would take this opportunity to say " I ain't SKEARED" Did I spell that right?

[John Kepler]

"I ain't SKEARED" Did I spell that right?"

According to Nathan Bedford Forrest and Joel Chandler Harris, no....it's "skeered".

[DaveHH]

There is a worldwide recession The demand is down, copper is about half what it was in the peak 2007 price. This is something else: either a move to increase price or pressure to reduce sales by the government. Probably driven by the anti-lead situation. Would you make long term contracts for lead when it might be outlawed by the dopes in congress? The Army can buy from Britain, Belgium, Israel, their demands can be met here with ease. It is so easy to say that we are all hoarding it.