Ishapore 2A1 Feed Problems

[jmoore]

Quite right!

[JBS]

Sorry gentlemen, my fingers went off before my eyes. I missed the part about 7.62 X 51 nato. Fingers thought it was 303. And yes some rifles don’t care how the loaders are stacked.

[maverick5582]

JBS, its a 7.62x51! Here its "-----". Besides, in my rifles that have good mags I can charger load 'em with the rims in ANY position, including reversed overlap, and they will still end up in the mag the right way. DUDUD is really not required! Spent a couple hours messing with this myth, and it doesn't hold water! It would, however, keep the troops occupied w/ yet another mindless task.

Maverick, I tried multiple chargers, including 2, 4, and 6 "side protrusion" bump types of various origins- no dramas. Did not try 6.5 Swede ones though, they tend to be wider.

jmoore:
I can only tell you what I found. I loaded the mag the way I normally load any mag with a rimless round. It jams on the last round, period.

Now, I load the mag with first round all the way to the rear of the mag. Next, round slightly forward. So and so forth till all ten rounds are in the mag. It will then cycle all ten rounds with no problem.

Guys I have no experience with the Lee Enfield. I am not trying to start an issue here. This is an Ishapore Rfle, 7.62mm, A2, 1967. These are the markings on the right side of the rifle.

Now I will move on to the next issue of removing cosmoline from the furniture.

Hope this helps.

John

[JBS]

John you did not start an issue. I was not reading right and missed the fact that the rifle was an A2 7.62 sorry.

Lots of rubbing, and very hot water will help with cosmoline removal.

[Edward Horton]

As Alan de Enfield stated the problem has nothing to do with a rimless case BUT he is staggering the rounds in the magazine to make it function correctly……………….

This makes me think the magazine spring is weak or the feed lips are bent wrong or both, a weak spring can cause the rear of the follower to drop in the rear causing misfeeds. If the feed lips are off this might explain the first round jamb.

If he is shooting reloads and the brass has scratches, cuts, dents, pimples, dings these all can cause the round to hang or misfeed.

Also he has not stated what type ammo or bullets are causing the jams, different bullet ogive types, lead tips etc. will cause misfeeds.

It’s very tough being a psychic Enfield repairman without photos.


Most of my jams are heat related caused by laying down excessively long sustained suppressive fire bursts.

[maverick5582]

As Alan de Enfield stated the problem has nothing to do with a rimless case BUT he is staggering the rounds in the magazine to make it function correctly……………….

This makes me think the magazine spring is weak or the feed lips are bent wrong or both, a weak spring can cause the rear of the follower to drop in the rear causing misfeeds. If the feed lips are off this might explain the first round jamb.

If he is shooting reloads and the brass has scratches, cuts, dents, pimples, dings these all can cause the round to hang or misfeed.

Also he has not stated what type ammo or bullets are causing the jams, different bullet ogive types, lead tips etc. will cause misfeeds.

It’s very tough being a psychic Enfield repairman without photos.


Most of my jams are heat related caused by laying down excessively long sustained suppressive fire bursts.

Mr. Horton:
We appreciate your understanding and patience with novices.
We will try and present as much information as possible with all issues. The ammo in question is Winchester 7.62 147 gr. FMJ.
I might even have to get some of your Ishapore High Speed Black Enamel for refurbished Ishy's. As you progress in your psychic abilities I am sure you will find a suitable outlet like "The Medium", "Ghost Whisperer", or "The Lee Enfield Psychic" on our local cable.

Best Wishes,

John "Maverick" Cowan

[jmoore]

Try a mag spring from a 303 magazine (original) if you get the chance, or even a coil mag spring from an M14, FAL, G3 or some such. The 20rd springs will be too long at first, but if it solves the last round feed problem, cut it down until you can barely get ten rounds loaded. Otherwise, aside from finding another original mag, you'll just have to improvise the best you can. (Sounds like the USMC supply chain!)

[Brian Dick]

The Numrich/GPC 2A/2A1 mags are the best replacements out there. You should be able to adjust it to feed properly with minimal effort. Original replacements are as rare as rocking horse manure and feeding/ejection was always marginal with those rifles anyhow.

[jmoore]

I must admit I bought 2 or 3 kind of cruddy 2A's just to get some spare mags, all but one of which worked flawlessly. Must have been doing something right, I guess...

Brian Dick's right about the feed in 2A's being marginal--IF other than bog standard 7.62x51 NATO spec ammo is used; it needs those pointy bullets rather more than do 303 caliber SMLEs. Ejection is OK if the bolt is worked right smartly, if you're gentle with it the empty tends to fall back into the action.

[Brian Dick]

I forgot that the headspace of many 2A/2A1 rifles is also terribly out of specification so be sure and check them before you shoot them. The one's I've fitted up with new bolt heads for people left here as tight as L39/L42 rifles. I can't afford a law suit.