Help wanted to identify this 1907

[shippingsteel]

Going by the markings on the scabbard, it was made by the same manufacturer that made the US M1917 2nd type scabbard. Note the same GF in oval stamp in photo attached. The Indians were also particularly fond of the leather slide-on combination frog/belt hanger arrangement - they had ample supplies of good leather available to use. Cheers.

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[shippingsteel]

Tankhunter, I think you may be forgetting about Indian usage. They had plenty of these British made 07's and they made shortening and converting them into an art form, particularly during the WW2 period. As you say, this may well be a 'backyard' conversion of an old broken blade BUT it may also be one of the Indian conversion jobs, which were done in much the same fashion anyway.
Skennerton's bayonet book shows a whole series of Indian No.1 conversions including this one from a sealed pattern list "No.1 Mk VI = No.1 Mk I grip & crossguard with No.5 Mk I blade (with fuller)"
He also has one illustrated as I57, the No.1 Mk VI* which is made without the fuller. It has the exact same profile as the bayonet in the original post, so it could be a possibility. Cheers.

[tankhunter]

SS: When I said NOTHING mentioned in E.M.E.R.S, That is exactly what I meant. E.M.E.R's were British Army Engineering Regulations & Standards for us Armourers to work to. INDIA was indeed run on British Lines & Priciples in theory. BUT, as you are aware, they were a Law unto themselves on what they did for thier Army & Whatever Mods they came up with! I have seen some Ingenious, if not in some cases. Downright Dangerous 'Mods' done to certain equipments from India! I know neccesity is the Mother of invention BUT. For example: When Buffer componants have broken & collasped in a GPMG Butt assembly on the 7.62mm MAG Machine Gun.(Bellvue Washers) You DONT replace them by putting rubber erasers inside the Buffer housing!!! You see what I mean?
Clever little devils, but check EVERYTHING they have done before using it!!!

[Peter Laidler]

As a matter of interest Tankie and others, the Indian Army STILL use EMER's and their BREN, L1A1 and No4 EMER's are still exactly the same as ours but their L1A1 varies slightly, presumably to cater for the slight differences. All in English too! It doesn't say anything about using pencil rubbers in the buffers though! That'd be a thought Tankie, using them in the big HB .50 Browning..................

[tankhunter]

I dont know if the Indians use .50" Cals, do they peter?
I wouldnt like to try putting anything other than the correct fibre washers in a Fifty!
Jesus, I must have manufactured, assembled, inspected, test fired Thousands of 'Em over the last 11 years! I have seen fractures & failures like you wouldnt believe!
Anything other than the right buffer washers would leave you with a comming out Party in your face! Still.... When in Da Face of adversity?...............

[tankhunter]

As a matter of interest Tankie and others, the Indian Army STILL use EMER's and their BREN, L1A1 and No4 EMER's are still exactly the same as ours but their L1A1 varies slightly, presumably to cater for the slight differences. All in English too! It doesn't say anything about using pencil rubbers in the buffers though! That'd be a thought Tankie, using them in the big HB .50 Browning..................

Interesting Peter, obviously a tried & tested system works?..................... I would hazzard a guess that there is a lot of different info though? For example, i know for a fact thier L1A1 SLR Rilf bayonet is different. It is a LOT longer & has wood grips rather than the pressed steel ones on ours. There must be other differences with thier equipment also. it would seem to follow?
I am aware they still manufacture th L4, L1A1 Rifle, L2A3 SMG, 105 Light Gun Etc. I have seen a few of the LMGs & also the L1A1's, not too bad either! L1A1 Rifle sling swivels are flat stampings like thier version of the SMLE in 7.62mm all minor stuff, but the difference is in the detail!.................

[A square 10]

agreed but it also looks clumsey , i agree someone cut and reshaped , think that muzzle ring adjustmen could fit a turked rifle of some sort ?