Export news from the USA

[Brian Dick]

Claven2, I really don't know if rifles marked .223 Remington and .308 Winchester will be exempt. There has always been a problem if the rifle was a current or recently obsolete military variant like the M40 or M24 sniper rifles which are just Remington 700 short andf long action rifles respectively. As far as the M1A and AR-15 variants, it's not going to happen. I'vce been round and round exporting AR components over the past couple of years with some success and some not! It's all a bit tiring sometimes considering all the crime we're stopping.

Spinecracker, There are no restrictions on the import of the rifles you mentioned as long as they're on the U.S. Curio & Relics list which all except the L39A1 are.

Bearhunter, I don't know where you're coming from saying that there's no government control on the import or sale of said firearms and ammunition. No offense, but that's simply mythology perpetrated by the media. The USA has the most restrictive import/export laws in the world. They're much more restrictive than England or Canada so lets lay that mythology to rest for good. Believe me, I live it on a daily basis.

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[bearhunter]

Brian, I see a lot of ads, for firearms and ammunition in the US. Much of which we can only wish for in Canada. I understand where you are coming from and lets get this clear from the get go, I respect your opinion. After all, you are a lot closer to this than I am.
On the other hand, are there any limitations on importing and selling 7.62x51 and several other milsurp cartridges in the USA. I know, you have problems with importing Chinese firearms as well as some ammunition, like 7.62x39. In Canada, there has been a drought on milsurp ammunition, other than 7.62x39 and we have access to Chinese firearms.
Other than that, there are few, visible to us, restrictions on ammunition and firearms, that are available to the average law abiding citizen of the US. To us, we don't like the export restrictions that are being imposed upon you by your government, because it deprives us of a ready source of shootable and collectible ammunition. It also deprives us, of some of the very good services, you and other businesses in the US provide.
The statement I made previously, was a question, more than a declaration. Other than export, have sales of 5.56,7.62x51 and 50cal, weapons and ammunition, been limited in any way in the US, by federal edict? I am under the impression, that can't be done without agreement of both the congress and the senate.
That, isn't the case in Canada. We have bureaucracies that seem to be able to act independently, concerning such decisions. Is that similar to your situation in the US?

[Claven2]

Careful everyone - discussion about what the law does and does not mean is ok, but as much as I hate the UN, treading too much int the political side of this news is against forum rules and I don't want to have to invigilate this thread.

[Surpmil]

Careful everyone - discussion about what the law does and does not mean is ok, but as much as I hate the UN, treading too much int the political side of this news is against forum rules and I don't want to have to invigilate this thread.

I was just looking through the FAQ, but I couldn't find any reference to what subjects are permitted and which are not

Could someone post a link to same or reproduce here?

Heaven knows I don't want to engage in any "bad speak", though I can't promise not to engage in "bad-think".

[John R.]

Careful everyone - discussion about what the law does and does not mean is ok, but as much as I hate the UN, treading too much int the political side of this news is against forum rules and I don't want to have to invigilate this thread.

When I see heavy handed comments like this with implied THREATS I start giving serious thought to asking for a refund of my contribution and exiting stage left.

I STRONGLY suggest that you look up the definition of POLITICS instead of this demanding that the rest of us kowtow to YOUR definition of the word!

[enfield303t]

On the serious side some institutions should go extinct. You know it is ludicrous to ban a firearm or cartridge on the premise of military numbers. Then I guess ammo makers will have to stop making some of the military cartridges and make them in the sporting versions. Change the numbers and make everyone happy.

[enfield303t]

I have decided to move to the Falkland Islands, bearhunter are you going to join me?? Sheep we could raise sheep !

[Badger]

Good morning John …

Easy now partner …

Ron (Claven2) is just doing his job, it's not personal and he's simply enforcing the site rules.

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I have read, and agree to abide by the Military Surplus Collectors Forums rules.

I do understand your sensitivity to perceived censorship, but it has absolutely nothing to do with that. Actually, if the truth be told, you and I would probably stand shoulder to shoulder and agree on 99.9% of any political rhetoric and discussions if permitted to be posted here, but that's not the mandate of our site, which is supposed to be purely about collecting old milsurps and enjoying a hobby we all love.

There are enough other gun sites on the Internet with publicly accessible forums (you don't have to even register) which are about politics, Obama, Muslims, immigration, ugly looking women democrats and other silly nonsense, often generated by the same un-moderated loose cannons sharing their frustrations in the same sandbox. That stuff can spread like wildfire and destroy the unity of a site (except for the chosen few) very quickly, so I simply don't want to see it get any kind of foothold here.

I was personally disappointed to see you express your desire to leave our site and go elsewhere, as you do help and provide a lot of information to old and novice collectors alike, which I know is appreciated, however, if you feel strongly enough about the need to vent politically here and that's a barrier to you enjoying everything else we offer, then you will be missed.

This particular post is now closed. I felt that although it was referencing rules about governments trying to control firearms and was a little on the border of a political discussion, that it's content posted by Brian Dick was valuable and important for the community to understand in relation to some categories of old milsurps and how it could affect their collecting hobby with the inability to import and export vis-a-vis the U.S.

That point has been made and it's apparent to me that as always happens and the reason we have the no politics rule in the first place, this thread is heading toward becoming loaded with vitriol and highly divisive, so it ends here …

Thanks Brian.. on behalf of the entire membership, notwithstanding how it ended, we do appreciate the heads up posting of this thread.

Regards,
Doug