I found a Triggerguard for my NPM

[Rustship]

Sakorick,

BrianQ just gave you your reference, he knows what he is talking about

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[DaveHH]

I have NPM 4259700 it has the original barrel and what appears to be the original TH which is an N16

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Rick,

You asked for information, and Brian gave it to you. Then you question "without a reference". In this case, Brian is being your reference.

You might ask where he found this out? Years of experience and hands on, reading, joining a club. A good club to consider might be the Carbine Club. Then you could consider purchasing the back issues of the newsletters. Too much information to list here. And as new things were found out, they were discussed in the newsletters and updated. Back issues currently are $280. Sounds like a lot, but isn't. That is 34 years of newsletters. Comes out to about $8.25 a year. A bargain. We paid more then that if you total our yearly memberships dues for the same time frame. And the reading will keep you fascinated and busy for quite a while.

Jim

[phil441]

I think what Rick is getting at is, even though BrianQ says this is so, unless it's published somewhere in a book he can plop down on a dealer's counter, it means little. BrianQ knows much, but without accepted references it amounts to little more than an opinion. Newsletters, however valuable, are just a club's newsletters.
Brian has shown little to no interest in publishing a book based on his vast knowledge to be judged by the collecting community. Until that happens, his opinion is only that. Highly regarded, but nothing you can take to the bank. Or a dealer.

[BrianQ]

I think what Rick is getting at is, even though BrianQ says this is so, unless it's published somewhere in a book he can plop down on a dealer's counter, it means little. BrianQ knows much, but without accepted references it amounts to little more than an opinion. Newsletters, however valuable, are just a club's newsletters.
Brian has shown little to no interest in publishing a book based on his vast knowledge to be judged by the collecting community. Until that happens, his opinion is only that. Highly regarded, but nothing you can take to the bank. Or a dealer.

So let me get this straight. By your account if it's not published in a book it is just an opinion. Once it is published in a book, regardless if it is factual or not, it becomes useful, credible information. Interesting theory, as warped as it may be.

[Wulf]

So let me get this straight. By your account if it's not published in a book it is just an opinion. Once it is published in a book, regardless if it is factual or not, it becomes useful, credible information. Interesting theory, as warped as it may be.

I wouldn't give a plugged nickle for most of the crap published y so called experts in the popular books these days. Too many errors and stuff that is just plain wrong. Heck, even the humpers are writing books about legit carbine stuff now.
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[phil441]

So let me get this straight. By your account if it's not published in a book it is just an opinion. Once it is published in a book, regardless if it is factual or not, it becomes useful, credible information. Interesting theory, as warped as it may be.

That's correct in the eyes of the counter man down at Joe's Gun & Pawn.
He's likely never heard of the Carbine Club. Chances are he's never read anything by Ruth, Riesch or Duff.
His job is to move merchandise. If you show him a page from a book that none of us would even bother to keep then he has the information in print.
See my point?

[DaveHH]

is to evaluate the information given by considering the source. Since in one part of a factory a carbine could be assembled and in another part of the same shop at the same time a quite different gun could be assembled, the individuals who have great first hand knowledge and an ample data base available are the opinion givers to listen to. Most of the books did not have this advantage when written ("War Baby" being the exception).

[BrianQ]

That's correct in the eyes of the counter man down at Joe's Gun & Pawn.
He's likely never heard of the Carbine Club. Chances are he's never read anything by Ruth, Riesch or Duff.
His job is to move merchandise. If you show him a page from a book that none of us would even bother to keep then he has the information in print.
See my point?

Then type something up on a piece of paper, sign it and hand it to him. That has about as much credibility with the counter man as something printed in a book. Remember "His job is to move merchandise." In most cases Joe the counter man will tell the potential customer what they want to hear to make the sale. Hand him any of the popular references to show he was incorrect and expect a reply similar to, "That is out dated material. This is the one you really need". (Who hasn't heard that at a gun show table before?) Now you're back to square one because, "His job is to move merchandise." Educate the buyer not the seller.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Educate the buyer not the seller.

Best line and advice in this whole thread.