A carry handle for a "T"!???????

[ickmann]

I don't see it as a waste of my time. I honestly would think that the guy would appreciate the info, as a true collector would...turns out that I was mistaken and he will either try to sucker someone into it or continue to look like a fool trying to pass something off just to take advantage of someone who does not know better. If I could post the info on the auction, I would...may call me an ***, I don't care.

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[breakeyp]

I don't see it as a waste of my time. I honestly would think that the guy would appreciate the info, as a true collector would...turns out that I was mistaken and he will either try to sucker someone into it or continue to look like a fool trying to pass something off just to take advantage of someone who does not know better. If I could post the info on the auction, I would...may call me an ***, I don't care.

Please do not take my comments as a slur against you. I stopped helping people years ago as I got tired to comments like, "Who says you are an expert" or "A guy who was in the army said it was such and such." They will accept your comments if they think it will get them more money. They are merchants--not collectors. They only collect money. I am reminded of the story about teaching a pig to sing. He won't learn and it annoys the pig.

[Peter Laidler]

I put a set on that site a couple of years ago and they struggled to get £70.................... That's life

[Peter Laidler]

Wise words Breaky.......... very wise words.

[breakeyp]

Since nobody published a picture of the handle and bipod together, I thought there might be some interest.

[enfield303t]

Well just looked up the one for sale on Collectors Source and it looks identical to me but what do I know? The guys on Collectos Source are pretty knowlecgeable.....I still put my money on it being for a Bren and not a T.

Why would you want to carry your No4 T with this type of device, just more awkward kit to haul around and makes no sense to me? But what do I know?

[Missing Something]

Ok.. I pose a question..... It is widely known that Parker-Hale made a bipod and carry handle assembly for the Enfield SMLE and that it was used in WW2 as a Bren trainer as the British lost most of the in service Bren guns at Dunkirk and Dieppe.

So.... does anyone have any pictures or official documentation about their use??

[Peter Laidler]

Missing something. I can't believe what I'm reading......If that is your explanation, then you are totally wrong I'm afraid to say. This was exactly what the others have said. A training device that was designed by Parker Hale to enable the pre-war militia etc etc to use a rifle as the section ;'Bren' |Nothing more or less. It was NEVER sanctioned for use on the |No4T. In fact, it was never officially sanctioned to be used on anything. It was a commercial undertaking that a small unit could buy if it wished, using an account known as 'the unit private fund'

The reason the handle is over to the left is not to clear the telescope, it's so that the handle will fold........... as it does on the Bren it's supposed to emulate.

How do I know this? Simple. a) I've been doing the job a long long time and b) I asked Parker Hale.

Or have I missed something somewhere..................? But in short, this is nothing to do with No4's or T's

[Missing Something]

Missing something. I can't believe what I'm reading......If that is your explanation, then you are totally wrong I'm afraid to say. This was exactly what the others have said. A training device that was designed by Parker Hale to enable the pre-war militia etc etc to use a rifle as the section 'Bren' Nothing more or less. It was NEVER sanctioned for use on the No4T. In fact, it was never officially sanctioned to be used on anything. It was a commercial undertaking that a small unit could buy if it wished, using an account known as 'the unit private fund'

The reason the handle is over to the left is not to clear the telescope, it's so that the handle will fold........... as it does on the Bren it's supposed to emulate.

How do I know this? Simple. a) I've been doing the job a long long time and b) I asked Parker Hale.

Or have I missed something somewhere..................? But in short, this is nothing to do with No4's or T's

Peter, I am not here to offend or put your vast knowledge in disrepute or even doubt you in the least.... My first post was to show a current auction on Ebay and show what the seller listed in his auction.

As I could not edit my first Post I posted the question as to see if there was any documentation or photos of the Parker-Hale pieces in wartime use. I have read a couple of other posts on different boards stating that the could not find the handle or bipod even listed in any Parker-Hale catalog from the era. For my own information and to prove that the seller was out to lunch I wanted to know if anyone here had any such items (photos, documents) supporting the Bren story.

Anyway.... sorry for the confusion.....just looking for info.....

[Brit plumber]

Hi Peter, I don't think thats missing somthings explanation, I think hes asking for evidence to prove the ebay seller is incorrect in his statement that this was for the No.4T, and that it is most definatly for Bren Simulation.