A bit OT but still Commonwealth, C3 sling

[Rebel Rouser]

C3 sling front and back view.

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[browningautorifle]

Chris, your gun looks from this distance a lot like the CDN model except ours were matt finish. Is that the Kahlies fixed 6 on it? Our drag bag was different too. More pointed and padded.

[browningautorifle]

Now THAT'S an old thread. But that's the sling I was trying to describe here.

[Peter Laidler]

That P-H rifle came top in the accuracy part of the UK sniper rifle (to replace the L42) trials, ahead of the AI which later became the L96. Alas, the L96 was easier to maintain and was thought to be unlikely to suffer the trials and tribulations accociated with harsh wear and environments. The non detachable (?) scope mounts were not to the spec required for the trials either. In fact, spoke to the Trials Officer a couple of months ago........ Lt Col Mike Txxxxx

The L96 was a wise choice in my opinion......

[jmoore]

That P-H rifle came top in the accuracy part of the UK sniper rifle (to replace the L42) trials, ahead of the AI which later became the L96.

Was the P-H rifle which lost out to the AI the British equivalent to the C3 or was it the P-H M85? The M85 fixed a lot of the dramas with the M82, but introduced some new ones. (Rinky-dink bolt stop and too easily released M14 mags which are tempermental feeders in this iteration, are three that come to mind immediately.)



Also slingless...but this view shows the wide forestock somewhat.


Wrong scope, but at least it's an early British proofed P-H M85 rifle.

[jmoore]

The rear action screw and bedding area surrounding (or lack thereof) seems to be a weak point. My PH had compressed the wood enough that the trigger tip was binding against the bow on the trigger guard.

[Peter Laidler]

One of the comments by the trials Officer was quite prophetic and suggested that as fore-end bedding was now a lost art and this could become a problem in the future. No such problems with the AI offering. The snipers weren't keen on the No8 rifle style sit-in-your-hand for-end style either. There was no call as to what they did want but I suggest that it might have been the rounder/oval No4/L42 type that they'd been used to.

Interesting thread..........

[Peter Laidler]

Our P-H's on trial had magazines. The rifles on trial were all Military 'cross flag' proofed at Cold Meece' by another Lt Col, Tony xxxxxx. I don't know where P-H went wrong with the L81 rifle but what a load of........... Anyway!

Is that (thread 17) a UK Military rifle JM? Looks like the ubiquitous GPMG/L7 foresight block. Secondary use iron sights is another thing we insisted on although they weren't critical to the initial stages of the trial but later there was some question as to whether the foresight block would alter the MPI in any way.

[jmoore]

Is that (thread 17) a UK Military rifle JM?

It's got BNP markings and is in the low 200 S/N range, but I don't recall if it has the crossed pennants.

Secondary use iron sights is another thing we insisted on although they weren't critical to the initial stages of the trial but later there was some question as to whether the foresight block would alter the MPI in any way.

I have found that it's all to easy to look under the rear sight aperture.

[Peter Laidler]

One of our civvy-contract Armourers (another ex Army apprentice) worked at P-H during this time and explained to me that the firm was always a hand-to-mouth place with small quantity big ticket orders being kept afloat by the large order small ticket orders if you see what I mean! With the rifle bodies coming in from Spain(?) in the white and only partially finished/machined there was no real control over the material. But that having been said, the P-H offerings were constantly more accurate than anything else on the trials. But it's the OTHER things that let them down