Remington m17

[Patrick Chadwick]

Chuck, that sounds quite plausible. On P.25 Ferris gives some figures from which he deduces that at Eddystone the total lead time from the first machining operation to a finished receiver ready for assembly in a rifle was 31 days. In other words, if from Day X no new receivers were started, the numbers in progress would have been sufficient for another month of full production. With production running down, this number would have lasted even longer.

As the end of the war was foreseeable, and no new contracts had been issued, one imagines that the factories would have tried to avoid being caught with masses of part-finished components after the contracts ran out. Contracts may have provided for compensation for completed rifles, or completed parts, but hardly for raw material stocks (which could be used for other purposes) or part-finished components, which would be scrap.

This ties in with your thesis - that new production of components was run down in anticipation well before the contracts were terminated on 9th Nov. 1918, and the factories were already assembling rifles largely from components completed and stockpiled some time before. It would be interesting to see the source info, if you can find it.


Patrick

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[040x]

Chuck your on! Also guys if your reading this post I will Pm you a link to a YouTube video I made showing you a problem I'm having with my 1917. Hopefully you guys can lead me in the right direction. Or this will give you an excuse to bring out your old hunk metal and make me a video response! Thanks in advance fellas. It's a shell ejection problem.

[Chuckindenver]

couple points....you know, iv never looked at CS Ferrises book lol...Nick is a great guy and good friend, almost asked him to give me a signed copy of it when i saw him a couple weeks ago, like i have of the RIA book he put out, im told he has pictures of a few of my rifles, and parts in that book as well, i say...if it helps the collectors...im all for it.
most of the info i have is based on my observations and expericance with rebuilding and working on them...when need be, i do some searching for the answer, the Remington collectors website is a great place to read...all the book out are wonderful, but take them with a grain of salt, they were writtin by men just like us, looking for answers on the things we enjoy, and they do make some mistakes, and thats ok, i praise these people that have taken the time to put out great books with awesome info and pictures for all of us to argue over.
now...heres my take on the whole 30-06 to .308 conversion???why... your not gaining anything..your loosing more. ammo cost more, the balistics are pretty darn close. and youll have more feeding issues then its worth... i love the .308 and have a few rifles in that cal. Remington 700,s H&K,s and M1A...couple are my favorite shooters..
on the bigger cal, for hunting? hmmm, the 30-06 will kill anything on this planet, with the right bullet, and a well place shot.. the big plus with 30-06.. you can get factory ammo in any hardwear store, Kmart Walmart ect...
now...im all about taking a already ground on, sporterized 17, and building a beast.... im duing a 577Trex build with a 17 action as i type.. the 17 action is very strong,,,however, you can make a prettier hunting rifle with a 1903, K98 or a Remington 700...dont grind it up....leave it as it is, shoot it, enjoy it,,, youll find the 1917 is a learned love, though big and clunky, shooting them grows on you...i learned to love the 17...kinda like that crazy women you dated in Highschool, they kinda grow on you...and then your hooked lol.
like i always say... if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is..

[trooper554877]

couple points....you know, iv never looked at CS Ferrises book lol...Nick is a great guy and good friend, almost asked him to give me a signed copy of it when i saw him a couple weeks ago, like i have of the RIA book he put out, im told he has pictures of a few of my rifles, and parts in that book as well, i say...if it helps the collectors...im all for it.
most of the info i have is based on my observations and expericance with rebuilding and working on them...when need be, i do some searching for the answer, the Remington collectors website is a great place to read...all the book out are wonderful, but take them with a grain of salt, they were writtin by men just like us, looking for answers on the things we enjoy, and they do make some mistakes, and thats ok, i praise these people that have taken the time to put out great books with awesome info and pictures for all of us to argue over.
now...heres my take on the whole 30-06 to .308 conversion???why... your not gaining anything..your loosing more. ammo cost more, the balistics are pretty darn close. and youll have more feeding issues then its worth... i love the .308 and have a few rifles in that cal. Remington 700,s H&K,s and M1A...couple are my favorite shooters..
on the bigger cal, for hunting? hmmm, the 30-06 will kill anything on this planet, with the right bullet, and a well place shot.. the big plus with 30-06.. you can get factory ammo in any hardwear store, Kmart Walmart ect...
now...im all about taking a already ground on, sporterized 17, and building a beast.... im duing a 577Trex build with a 17 action as i type.. the 17 action is very strong,,,however, you can make a prettier hunting rifle with a 1903, K98 or a Remington 700...dont grind it up....leave it as it is, shoot it, enjoy it,,, youll find the 1917 is a learned love, though big and clunky, shooting them grows on you...i learned to love the 17...kinda like that crazy women you dated in Highschool, they kinda grow on you...and then your hooked lol.
like i always say... if it aint broke...fix it till it finally is..

I only mentioned the 308 conversion because target shooters over this side of the world liked the actions because they where strong, stronger than the lee enfield that was being converted at the time and there where a few around which made them cheap. All sorts of buggery was done on them, some are restorable some are not. I agree in terms of ballistic with you chuck that you gain very little if anything in changing from 30-06 to 308. I think the 30-06 has more of a record and higher standing than the 308but that was what the rules state that only 7.62 or 303 or 5.56 are allowed for target shooting.
I had a pristine eddystone in original configuration that I shot for awhile and fell in love with but as the family grew and the needs outweighed the wants it went. I noe have a nearly all matching apart from the stock(remington marked) and a strangely marked bolt handle(weird number) it is all eddystone and still has the red paint band around the fore-end and looks like it was done yesterday. The barrel is like new, haven't gauged it yet but when I get some gauges it will be done for prosterties sakes, but has some cord wear on one of the lands at the muzzle.
Shot it last wekend and at 100 metres with a handload of 48.5 grains of AR2208 or Varget in the states, behind a 155gn HBC HPBT match projectile(made here in Australia) i got a group of 38, 44 and 40mm groups. Can't be happier !!!
Cheers
Ned

[Chuckindenver]

7.62 is just the bullet itself... 7.62x54R 7.62x39 7.62x55 {30-06 7.62x51 {308 win} so your 17 in the original .30 1906 should be legal.
the 303 {.311} is used in many..7.7 Jap, 7.65 Arg, .303 Brit, ect.
5.56 is .{.223} or {.224} used in many many rifles, from .22 Hornet up to .22-250..i would look a little more into the rules they have set..
i know that in many European countries they have banned the ownership of rifles chambered in any military cal..so many shooters have made them in wild cats../30 gibbs, 6.5-06 ect..
if your loading your own, then your can load the 30-06 pretty hot, and pretty darn accurate.. the long magazine box on a 1917 makes feeding a shorter round pretty tough unless you modify the folower, spring and box.

[Patrick Chadwick]

pretty darn accurate..

You mean, like this?

Attachment 29765
The rifle is potentially sub-MOA, but I'm not. 5 of the last 7 shots were in one hole, but the other two...


Patrick

[trooper554877]

Patrick,
yeah mine was a bit like that and using iron sights doesn't allow as fine a sight alignment as does a scope. My groups where similar, a few 3 rd groups measured 10-13 mm and then one or two flyers knocked them out to 40-60mm. They certainly have a great accuracy potential. Thats probably why Captain Shore took his p14 to europe with him in WW2, blokes realized how good and accurate they where and couldn't part with them.

Chuck,
Thanks for the ammunition lesson but I do know the rules and i possibly did not explain myself quite clearly enough.
The Target rifle discipline come under the NRAA rules who in turn follow the ICFRA rules. the only calibres allowed are 308 or 7.62x51 or 223 rem or 5.56x45. I know being a yank there may be some niaevity as to what Target rifle shooting is in the commonwealth. It's not high-power rifle shooting ( which i have shot) but the palma match is a part of the commonwealth discipline. So thanks again for telling me something I all ready knew.
I was trying to join in the conversation by putting an Australian slant to it but it wasn't obviously appreciated.

Sorry and cheers'
Ned

[Chuckindenver]

not at all..welcome to the forum and thanks for jumping in, i like seeing collectors and shooters for all over the world... we get it figured out...one way or another ,..we can get through the US, Commonweath, and Euro dribble...we all have the same interest in mind....^5

[trooper554877]

not at all..welcome to the forum and thanks for jumping in, i like seeing collectors and shooters for all over the world... we get it figured out...one way or another ,..we can get through the US, Commonweath, and Euro dribble...we all have the same interest in mind....^5

LOL,
yeah takes a bit of working out eh!!!
Cheers
Ned

[Chuckindenver]

iv been talking with and dealing with people from all over the world, Japan, France, Italy, Russia, ect...the toughest ones to figure out the a language program is Spain and Russia...
have a couple good buddies from South Africa...there humor is a little off key compared to mine...but we get it worked out...
learned to not read or take things the same way as i would here in the states, and have an open mind...it was hard to set my American Ego asside..but not so hard anymore.
not so much with my gun world, but more so with my Moto Trials addiction... the only guys i have a hard time dealing with are from China.. noticed that the males in China are very racest, and down grade women...just not my way of thinking..iv unfriended a few Chinese trials riders on Facebook...